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  Books that changed your life-

  by new hope and happiness in

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  i am not much of a reader as i have two many distractions, but i fancy a challenging read, so please list any book that has changed your entire world view on everything.

  i remember as a teenager buying at a yard sale, norman vincent peales " the power of positive thinking" and at the time that had a big impact on me.

  but i am a little bit more in to " realistic positive thinking" now..

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  I just read Animal Farm.

  Pretty dang good from the JW perspective, especially since its only like 85 pages.

  I have just started 1984.

  Both are George Orwell. Scary how similiar totalitarian societies are with the Borg.

  -TE
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  I Need Help Getting My Head Straight.......

  by TTATTelder in

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  one of the things i have been wresting with mentally is unraveling the "us vs. them" mentality that has been driven into my skull in the organization.. i am starting this thread seeking advice on how others have come to grip with this.. this is what i struggle with:.

  i like the feeling/thought of being among people that live, or try to live, or at least know they ought to live by higher standards of conduct (maybe it is just what i'm used to...).

  when you walk out of a convention of people dressed up, clean-cut, shaven, non-smoking, less-profanity-speaking, fairly orderly etc and see what greets you in the streets outside, it is a big contrast.. i am also still trying to understand how a religion that has conned people (so is morally wrong) could also be so well organized and have a lot of truly decent folks among their ranks.

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  Rebel8,

  I usually come out INFP but just took that test and came out INTP.

  I think once I came up INFJ but just once.

  I like psychology so have taken the test multiple times.

  It doesn't really nail me but is insightful nonetheless.

  -TE
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  When your friends are bad for you: JWs as a case study in the dangers of ingroup bias

  by Apognophos in

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  how do you convince someone to get help when their friends all say they're fine?

  from time to time i think about how certain illnesses must be very difficult to treat because the sufferer's actual perceptions are skewed.

  for instance, how do you convince someone to seek treatment if they are under a paranoid delusion that they know too much and the establishment wants to put them on drugs to dull their minds?

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  Good thought provoking post. Thanks.

  -TE
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  I Need Help Getting My Head Straight.......

  by TTATTelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one of the things i have been wresting with mentally is unraveling the "us vs. them" mentality that has been driven into my skull in the organization.. i am starting this thread seeking advice on how others have come to grip with this.. this is what i struggle with:.

  i like the feeling/thought of being among people that live, or try to live, or at least know they ought to live by higher standards of conduct (maybe it is just what i'm used to...).

  when you walk out of a convention of people dressed up, clean-cut, shaven, non-smoking, less-profanity-speaking, fairly orderly etc and see what greets you in the streets outside, it is a big contrast.. i am also still trying to understand how a religion that has conned people (so is morally wrong) could also be so well organized and have a lot of truly decent folks among their ranks.

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  Thanks everybody sincerely.

  I need this slap of reality.

  I hope some lurkers benefit as well.

  -TE
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  Can 'the truth' survive the Internet?

  by Noumenon in

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  great article here, from some university prof. doesn't seem he was ever a jw either.. http://libertyunbound.com/archive/2003_10/cox-truth.html

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  Good article. Long but good.

  -TE
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  Reaching Loved Ones Stuck in a Cult: Reciprocal Letter Writing

  by 00DAD in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been toying with an idea that i think just might have some legs.

  so here i am trotting it out for all of you to consider and comment upon.

  for many of us, we are extremely frustrated by the fact that we have no way to communicate with our loved ones still stuck in the organization.

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  Im in.

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  An old article I dug up. An Analytical master piece that really just blew my mind

  by joe134cd in

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  i found this article sitting in the files of jwn.

  i have to say it's a masterpiece of writing and very informative.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/86393/1/can-the-truth-survive-the-internet#.u59svtoaysn.

  it's the 7th post down on this thread and written by stephen cox.

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  Thanks I will read it when I get a chance.

  -TE
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  I Need Help Getting My Head Straight.......

  by TTATTelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one of the things i have been wresting with mentally is unraveling the "us vs. them" mentality that has been driven into my skull in the organization.. i am starting this thread seeking advice on how others have come to grip with this.. this is what i struggle with:.

  i like the feeling/thought of being among people that live, or try to live, or at least know they ought to live by higher standards of conduct (maybe it is just what i'm used to...).

  when you walk out of a convention of people dressed up, clean-cut, shaven, non-smoking, less-profanity-speaking, fairly orderly etc and see what greets you in the streets outside, it is a big contrast.. i am also still trying to understand how a religion that has conned people (so is morally wrong) could also be so well organized and have a lot of truly decent folks among their ranks.

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  Have you ever worked at an RBC quick-build? Or, a convention set-up? You call that "organized"? - DOC

  So true. Thanks for reminding me. They often make up for the lack of organization with the sheer numbers of free-labor volunteers.

  Be careful not to confuse "nice" with ethical. Nice is a facade. - Cofty

  Yes Indeed... I also need to remember that the "nice" knob gets turned up at conventions temporarily.

  There are definitely some absolute snakes walking around the conventions with huge smiles on their faces greeting everyone in their path.

  -TE
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  I Need Help Getting My Head Straight.......

  by TTATTelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one of the things i have been wresting with mentally is unraveling the "us vs. them" mentality that has been driven into my skull in the organization.. i am starting this thread seeking advice on how others have come to grip with this.. this is what i struggle with:.

  i like the feeling/thought of being among people that live, or try to live, or at least know they ought to live by higher standards of conduct (maybe it is just what i'm used to...).

  when you walk out of a convention of people dressed up, clean-cut, shaven, non-smoking, less-profanity-speaking, fairly orderly etc and see what greets you in the streets outside, it is a big contrast.. i am also still trying to understand how a religion that has conned people (so is morally wrong) could also be so well organized and have a lot of truly decent folks among their ranks.

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  Thanks Jgnat.

  You make some really good points.

  The pics are cool too.

  -TE
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  I Need Help Getting My Head Straight.......

  by TTATTelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one of the things i have been wresting with mentally is unraveling the "us vs. them" mentality that has been driven into my skull in the organization.. i am starting this thread seeking advice on how others have come to grip with this.. this is what i struggle with:.

  i like the feeling/thought of being among people that live, or try to live, or at least know they ought to live by higher standards of conduct (maybe it is just what i'm used to...).

  when you walk out of a convention of people dressed up, clean-cut, shaven, non-smoking, less-profanity-speaking, fairly orderly etc and see what greets you in the streets outside, it is a big contrast.. i am also still trying to understand how a religion that has conned people (so is morally wrong) could also be so well organized and have a lot of truly decent folks among their ranks.

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  TTATTelder

  One of the things I have been wresting with mentally is unraveling the "us vs. them" mentality that has been driven into my skull in the organization.

  I am starting this thread seeking advice on how others have come to grip with this.

  This is what I struggle with:

  I like the feeling/thought of being among people that live, or try to live, or at least know they ought to live by higher standards of conduct (maybe it is just what I'm used to...)

  When you walk out of a convention of people dressed up, clean-cut, shaven, non-smoking, less-profanity-speaking, fairly orderly etc and see what greets you in the streets outside, it is a big contrast.

  I am also still trying to understand how a religion that has conned people (so is morally wrong) could also be so well organized and have a lot of truly decent folks among their ranks. Are they just duped?

  Any thoughts?

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  P.S... I just went to a convention this weekend (3 days of constant indoctrination), so I know that has a lot to do with this post. I could write an essay on all of the BS spewed from the platform (it was outrageous). I will probably write a post on that soon, but just wanted to address this first. Thanks in advance for any of your help.

  -TE