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  LDC Semininar

  by Sour Grapes in

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  ldc semininar @ patterson nov 15-18, 2014 .

  entire ldc dept included remote workers/design/legal/real estate/purchasing.

  oversight.

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  TTATTelder

  Magnum - good stuff. Adcms - hilarious.

  apog - as long as you have idiots lining up to drink this kool-aid, the scam will continue. I know of a long time elder that closed his business, sold his house, and moved to work at Warwick. He's there now. When he speaks of the organization, his eyes get big and he takes on the look of a child talking about Disneyland. It's embarrassing to watch. When do you ever see the WT counseling people to keep their adoration of the org in balance? Do you think they ever turn down donations that would produce hardships on the givers? Doubt it.

  It's disgusting how the organization takes advantage of groupie people like this. They accept their worship and then pretend to have humility. I'm sorry there's more to humility than not wearing pope outfits.

  -TE
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  Public Speaker Training stifled by wt, it's new 'school' programme.

  by prologos in

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  the 2015 school setup, discussed this week eliminates the last "school talk" by brothers in favour of 'demonstartions" (a la sisters conversations) of family worship sessions and the like.. is this not a shift away from encouraging bright young ones to hone their (under-estimated) speaker skills ---to.

  now using more of the die-hard, org-bound, --even elders in indoctrination demonstrations?.

  do you see this trend?

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  TTATTelder

  One other detail is slightly different from the opening post. The brother giving the Bible highlights actually only has TWO minutes to give his point. So one of the only times a brother has the opportunity to express his own thoughts about a passage of scripture has been cut in half.

  I remember when the highlights were an unscripted 6 minutes for the brother - then it was cut to 4 and now 2.

  Two minutes and he is only allowed to consider one highlight point. Information control much?

  -TE
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  Did you grow weary in "well doing"?

  by compound complex in

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  "and let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

  " holman christian standard bible; galations 6:9.. i just now remembered an old wt article about the things that discourage us about our imperfect selves.

  one such disappointment in ourselves is that we know we should continue doing good unto others, but we're simply worn out.

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  TTATTelder

  Hell yeah I get tired of it. I had to conduct the damn wt study sunday. Hard to stomach the complete and utter BS.

  Just say you're an effing real estate conglomerate and be done with it. We don't need any god damn ark references.

  -TE
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  From 1 to 10, how do you rate the value of the Internet in your awakening?

  by Hidden-Window in

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  as we all know, the internet is a real game-changer in allowing us to know the truth about the watch tower and its history.

  i always had doubts and it was the internet that presented me with the ever-growing number of individuals who were going through a similar struggle.. i give the internet a 9 in my awakening.

  what about you?.

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  TTATTelder

  Damn straight Old Goat!

  That was the first crack I saw. I finally said to myself - if this was a company I would blame the management. I then blamed the GB for the power tripped assholes in the congregations. I went to the internet then and started searching.

  -TE
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  New forum 'parousia' is upon us! (software version)

  by Simon in

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  the time has nearly come to switch over to the new forum software.

  of course it's not completely finished yet (and never will be) but i think it's good enough to go live with and probably already better than the current one.

  i'll give you a quick overview of what to expect and post more detail about the changeover process later.. cloud platform.

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  TTATTelder

  Cool ... Look forward to it. Thanks Simon.

  -TE
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  The Watchtower Writers Blame the Rank-and-File For Failed Prophecy, Why so Evil the Writers/

  by SanLuisObispoTruthSeeker in

  1. watchtower
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  who is to blame jehovahs witnesses and the bible students believing the end was coming in 1914?

  ive been reading lots of older magazines and they are so different from todays watchtower!

  the current writers from the organization blame everyone except themselves for failed expectations, failed prophecy, "financial ruin and dependance on the goverment "old age social security and medicaid" on their rank-and-file members.

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  TTATTelder

  adcms - good stuff - complete con-artist assholes

  -TE
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  How do you overcome this JW excuse?

  by EdenOne in

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  during one of those meetings that took place before my jc, one of the elders, who was a good friend of mine back then and used to come up with a few outlandish personal views about some teachings, attempted to counter one of my arguments like this:.

  eden - "well, if the truth doesn't change, why is it that what we teach as 'truth' has changed over the years (several examples given)?

  how can we dogmatically claim at any given moment that we have 'the truth' if our teachings keep changing?".

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  TTATTelder

  Witnesses love the mentally lazy position of putting complete trust in the magic show.

  And they're good little boys and girls for trusting it too!

  There are a lot of unexplained, missing pieces in the JW doctrine-creation process. The GB and Jehovah (so they say) and I guess Jesus (if they remember to invite him) slip behind a curtain together and "Presto!" come out with new doctrines out of thin air. It's a whole miraculous, hocus-pocus thing.

  Everybody claps and says "Wow!" and never has to use their brain. If you question it (like interupting a magic show to point out slight-of-hand) you are just spoiling the party.

  They will passionately defend it untill they are tired of you and kick you out of the show.

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  What's sad is that the WT higher-ups take full advantage of this childish level of consciousness in the followers. Now using it to expand their real estate empire. Unforgivable.

  Like I've said before - if there is a judgement day - I don't want to be standing next to the "Governing Body" or any of their cronies!

  -TE
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  Elders removed in Northern PA. Congregation

  by ToesUp in

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  a close family member just informed me what happened during their last c.o.

  visit.

  this occurred 3 months ago.

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  TTATTelder

  The new elder appointing arrangement isn't as different as the WT wants people to think. WT wants to appear to be distancing itself from the appointment process to reduce liability, but the truth is - it is business as usual. The body has to send in recommendations a month before the CO visit with written explanations. The CO sends this to the branch and has a pow-wow with his service desk about who he has the green light on and who he doesn't.

  CO gets to make final call but only from those preselected by the branch. The CO is still just a puppet.

  So if a bunch of elders were removed, the branch was in on it.

  -TE
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  Just out of curiosity, how many elders (current & ex) do we have here?

  by mrquik in

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  me.

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  TTATTelder

  Current elder unfortunately. Just too damn trapped to leave yet. Taking it slow mainly for the wife. It's hard to nudge your spouse out while still going to indoctrination sessions. I am making progress though. I'll be damned if I let those bastards steal my mate.

  -TE
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  The Watchtower Writers Blame the Rank-and-File For Failed Prophecy, Why so Evil the Writers/

  by SanLuisObispoTruthSeeker in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  who is to blame jehovahs witnesses and the bible students believing the end was coming in 1914?

  ive been reading lots of older magazines and they are so different from todays watchtower!

  the current writers from the organization blame everyone except themselves for failed expectations, failed prophecy, "financial ruin and dependance on the goverment "old age social security and medicaid" on their rank-and-file members.

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  TTATTelder

  Same ole lawyering - P.R. - Spin - BS that you see by all multi-biilion dollar corporations and politicians.

  They make "admissions" to say they did - to create sound bites.

  For every scrubbed-up, carefully-worded, half-baked admission of anything wrong there are literally thousands upon thousands of "listen to us or God will kill you" statements. It's laughable when you consider the contradiction. You can probably find them in the same magazine. It's deceit of raw evil proportions.

  They will always make these printed statements in a vacuum. They will not allow questions, interviews, or requests for further clarification. And we know they do not allow disagreement to begin with.

  If they are willing to say they alone represent the voice of almighty God on earth and allow innocent believers to die believing them, they will certainly have the balls to make up a convenient definition of what false prophecy is and then say they do not meet the definition. That's child's play in comparison.

  -TE