Posts by TTATTelder

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Automatic disfellowshipping if "sin" is repeated?

by snugglebunny in

back in the day, if someone was put on probation for an offence, rather than being disfellowshipped, if he re-offended whilst that probation was in force, disfellowshipping was automatic.

normally a probation lasted 12 months.

after the probation was finished that was it.

TTATTelder

It depends on what the "sin" is. Where I am, if you get in trouble for fornication and then commit fornication again 6 months later, then you would be found "unrepentant" and DF'd.

-TE

72

Last nights meeting...

by DATA-DOG in

i know dubs are delusional.

i know dubs don't reason well.

i know dubs are a bit off, like many groups.

I want to comment on the height of this cartoon boy compared to my personal height at various ages. I was as tall as my mom at 11-12 years of age. I know I am just one example. These cartoon characters are much shorter than their mother, and it appears their mother is average height like my mother is. For this to be a representation of myself, it would have to be ttattelder at like age 8 or 9.

Look how tiny the boy is compared to the brother baptizing him. It's obvious what the angle is. Get baptized in elementary school.

-TE

109

Happy at Bethel. Can't believe what I'm seeing.

by Pubsinger in

apologies if this has already been posted but i am speechless.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnbmyudrwgs&x-yt-ts=1422327029&x-yt-cl=84838260#t=72.

TTATTelder

this video was not made to promote anything. It was not made for the general public - itkh

That's what you're supposed to think.

-TE

109

Happy at Bethel. Can't believe what I'm seeing.

by Pubsinger in

apologies if this has already been posted but i am speechless.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnbmyudrwgs&x-yt-ts=1422327029&x-yt-cl=84838260#t=72.

TTATTelder

It's a viral video. It's marketing in 2015. It was planned.

-TE

92

GB says, "Our way of worship will soon be altered."

by Separation of Powers in

my mom called me yesterday to ask how i was doing.

i hadn't seen her in a while, so it was nice to hear her voice.

we went through the motions of jw small talk and then she started telling me about her co visit from last week.

TTATTelder

I feel a mixture of cynicism and deep, deep sadness. - steve2

I feel your pain. I have a long history of family in this thing also. What's weird to think about is actually what our grandparents joined into. It's not even close to the same religion, but people always refer to their "heritage in the truth". My original peeps weren't even called Jehovah's Witnesses. Craziness.

But back to the topic... the org is just doing the same ole game of moving the cheese.

-TE

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Is Watchtowers view & practices currently split in two? Split leadership direction?

by thedepressedsoul in

i've been deeply following jw "culture" the last 2 years and i am getting the impression that the leadership is currently split in two different directions.

on one hand you get this sense of a happy, joyful and less strict religion and on the other hand there is still this strict, harsh religion of the past.

let me explain more.. there have been a lot of video's lately that show dancing in kingdom halls, bethel dancing to the "happy" song, jw.org downplaying their beliefs and making it sound like daisies.

TTATTelder

I see at least 2 things happening at the same time:

1) Image vs Reality / PR machine - this is for recruiting, selling the followers on reform, public image for use in the courtroom, etc.

2) Typical abuse pattern within the org of building up to tear down. Give one helping warm-and-fuzzy Christianity then 3 helpings of mind control. It is intentionally confusing. That is part of the abuse and control. Most do not know about the game, even at the top, because they are being played by the game.

-TE

92

GB says, "Our way of worship will soon be altered."

by Separation of Powers in

my mom called me yesterday to ask how i was doing.

i hadn't seen her in a while, so it was nice to hear her voice.

we went through the motions of jw small talk and then she started telling me about her co visit from last week.

TTATTelder

They are always saying things to keep followers hanging on 6 more months. Gotta love the secrets. "There's something behind door number 3........ but we can't open it just yet......but soooooon we will."

-TE

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The contempt of Anthony Morris: the face doesn't lie.

by freemindfade in

i have noticed something even long before even looking into ttatt, something about morris bothered me.

i am personally very attuned to body language, facial expressions and general subtleties in human interaction.

there was something about his face that really bothered me, and i will explain it.

TTATTelder

that cult side that comes out, like a werewolf, has been solid evidence to me this group is full blown cult, it's something you only see on the other side isn't it. - freemindfade

Yes totally agree. Nice to know you have had the same experience. It's a bit surreal to see now - on the other side - as you say. I had no idea before such a thing happened.

I know I must have done the same thing. In our mind we were "defending the truth". In reality, we were brainwashed cult weirdos. Sad.

I guess it will just have to click for the wives at some point. Hopefully it will, if we patiently erode the foundation. The cult has a huge head start on us, but we have 24/7 access. I insist on winning.

-TE

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The contempt of Anthony Morris: the face doesn't lie.

by freemindfade in

i have noticed something even long before even looking into ttatt, something about morris bothered me.

i am personally very attuned to body language, facial expressions and general subtleties in human interaction.

there was something about his face that really bothered me, and i will explain it.

TTATTelder

For me that sealed my mental departure from this madness, watching him speak with such distain about people who have put so much into their fantasy.

Yeah after that talk, I was complaining to my wife. She was agreeing all the way down the line until I said, "It's so obvious that God isn't using that moron", then BOOM she flipped. Cult girl came out. Eyes changed and everything. She actually mentioned the word divorce later that evening, but in a weird, passive-aggressive way. And we are a couple who have never gotten into a fight bad enough to separate for even one evening.

It's sick the hold they have on people. Now I know why they do background checks on people that pick the GB up from the airport and have handlers etc. They probably get death threats often. They earn them.

-TE

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Display of National Flags in Kingdom Halls in Chile: WTS' Response

by BluesBrother in

remember this and other threads a few months back, on the subject that some kingdom halls in chile acquiesced to govt rules that every building should display the national flag on the day of celebration?.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/262505/kingdom-hall-chile-has-national-flag?size=20&page=1.

many of us here and around the net, calling on our dub experiences cried "never would that happen!

TTATTelder

What happened to not stumbling others?

-TE