Posts by TTATTelder

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So Why Do They Need The Money?

by konceptual99 in

so, as well reported, the latest jw broadcasting show is all about giving money.

as far as the wt society goes they have been pretty candid about there not being enough funds to meet the expenditure.

there are plenty of views on if this is really the case or not but underlying this is why are they spending so much money?.

TTATTelder

They aren't hurting for money. They are just missing donation projections. They want to hit their numbers, like any business, to meet their goals for expansion (read - future luxury accommodations). Numbers are down... so instead of running a promotion or sale or hiring new sales people like other businesses would, they send Lett on the broadcast to talk to the "friends" about their "dedication to Jehovah". Guilt sells in religion land.

Astonishing - if you think it is supposed to be the "Truth" of all the universe backed by the Holy Magic of Jah.

If you see them as just another group of swinging di**s looking for a score, then it's completely predictable.

-TE

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Is the student more qualified than the teacher?

by John Aquila in

what does the bible really teach page 110....

why does god allow suffering?.

the wt uses the illustration of a math teacher who is challenged by a student that the math problem can be worked out a different way.

TTATTelder

It's even worse when you read it straight from the book:

Let us consider an illustration. Imagine that a teacher is telling his students how to solve a difficult problem. A clever but rebellious student claims that the teacher’s way of solving the problem is wrong. Implying that the teacher is not capable, this rebel insists that he knows a much better way to solve the problem. Some students think that he is right, and they also become rebellious.What should the teacher do? If he throws the rebels out of the class, what will be the effect on the other students? Will they not believe that their fellow student and those who joined him are right? All the other students in the class might lose respect for the teacher, thinking that he is afraid of being proved wrong. But suppose that the teacher allows the rebel to show the class how he would solve the problem.

Prologos may be right. Either they are trying to get rid of critical thinkers or trying to dumb down whoever gets a bible study.

It is an insulting illustration either way.

-TE

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Satan is more dangerous then pedophile - Assembly Part

by thedepressedsoul in

i am sitting at the recent assembly, bored out of my mind (have you ever heard anyone call these things fun?

) and the next speaker walks out on stage.

he starts off with an illustration.

TTATTelder

Yeah sounds like a down-play as you said.

"What we REALLY need to be focused on is SATAN" .... (Not the pedophiles wandering around this assembly)

Same ole brainwashing B.S. Sad they don't put more energy into actually fixing the problem instead of manipulating the "flock" into thinking the problem is smaller than it is.

-TE

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15 Years of Jehovahs-Witness.com

by Simon in

yes, today is the forum's 15th birthday!.

i never thought for one moment that it would survive this long or have so many people post so many great subjects over the years.. it is still humbling when i get pm's or emails from people expressing how the site has helped them and of course thanks goes to all the posters who have shared their experiences and make helpful and supportive comments to others who are in the sometimes difficult process of learning the real truth about 'the truth'.. the site has gone through several different incarnations over the last 15 years running on different platforms, different databases and different hosts but we've been able to keep all the old topics.

the current site is still being developed and i'm hoping to push another major upgrade soon.. i also may have some other news to share soon about the future of the site so stay posted.. until then, here's the the next 15 years!

TTATTelder

Good job Simon and congrats.

I have greatly benefited from the discussions here.

-TE

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Is there a Child Molester on the Governing Body?

by TTATTelder in

great report by abc on the abuses in jw-dot-org land.... i hope it opens a "floodgate" of future news reports and exposes.

if you ask yourself, "why hasn't the watchtower leadership changed their policy on the 2 witness rule?

if one or more persons on the gb has victims out there that can't come forward because of the 2 witness rule, then that would explain the permanent road block to policy change that is obviously in place.

TTATTelder

I think it is obvious that the refusal to change the painfully illogical 2-witness rule for child sexual abuse is for some incredibly selfish reason that leads to further and further abuse of innocent children.

The GB's "indirect" connection to children being abused is undeniable.

When an organization insists on strange, left-field policies that make child molestation easy to get away with, the organization is taking a stand as a pedophile sympathizer and enabler.

The next question is why?...... I am aware of the business reasons often stated. It doesn't take much imagination to think there could be more to the story.

Simon, my apologies for posting anything that causes trouble. I accept full responsibility.

The GB have to accept full responsibility for the consequences of their policies. One of those consequences is "wild" speculation as I have offered the OP.

I admit that the subject is an emotional one when you think of heartless men forcing themselves on innocent children. If these emotions have clouded my judgement, and I have under-appreciated the power of Greed as a lone explanation for these policies, then for that I apologize.

-TE

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Is there a Child Molester on the Governing Body?

by TTATTelder in

great report by abc on the abuses in jw-dot-org land.... i hope it opens a "floodgate" of future news reports and exposes.

if you ask yourself, "why hasn't the watchtower leadership changed their policy on the 2 witness rule?

if one or more persons on the gb has victims out there that can't come forward because of the 2 witness rule, then that would explain the permanent road block to policy change that is obviously in place.

TTATTelder

OEJ,

I see your point and it's a good one.

The two witness rule for child molestation just seems like a "hide-behind-scripture" rule to protect pedophiles. So it invites speculation as to why anybody would protect pedophiles ever...

Hope your day gets better...

-TE

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Is there a Child Molester on the Governing Body?

by TTATTelder in

great report by abc on the abuses in jw-dot-org land.... i hope it opens a "floodgate" of future news reports and exposes.

if you ask yourself, "why hasn't the watchtower leadership changed their policy on the 2 witness rule?

if one or more persons on the gb has victims out there that can't come forward because of the 2 witness rule, then that would explain the permanent road block to policy change that is obviously in place.

TTATTelder

Great report by ABC on the abuses in jw-dot-org land.... I hope it opens a "floodgate" of future news reports and exposés.

If you ask yourself, "Why hasn't the watchtower leadership changed their policy on the 2 witness rule?", here is the simplest explanation in my opinion: There are molesters in the leadership of the organization, namely the GB. If one or more persons on the GB has victims out there that can't come forward because of the 2 witness rule, then that would explain the permanent road block to policy change that is obviously in place.

Given the pompous, delusional, power-tripped state of mind of a governing body member, it isn't a huge leap to think they would take liberties with an underage boy or girl and feel they are entitled.

Any normal, rational, caring person wants to protect the children of their group and would craft rules and regulations for that protection.

I don't even buy their whole "we would get sued by the pedophile" excuse. It's all about covering up for self-serving reasons. Yes it protects the PR image of the organization, but I think the cover-up goes much deeper than that.

It's just an opinion and I know I'm not the first to postulate it, but it deserves mentioning.

Often the simplest explanation is the right one.

What do you think?

-TE

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March JW Broadcast: Once again disparaging Higher Education - this time in the Music Video.

by cappytan in

i will have the music video separated shortly.

will post the link once it's done..

TTATTelder

Yeah that's just embarrassing... and shameless.

-TE

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What's wrong with Christianity?

by eyefell4it2 in

i found this comment on a yahoo article re same sex marriage and i happen to agree with it and thought i would share it.

of course there are others that can be added if you specify what's wrong with jehovah's witnesses but i think this list is a good overview.

would anyone else care to add anything to this list or comment?

TTATTelder

11) Jesus Death?

A son going away for less than three days and then coming back doesn't qualify as a "sacrifice" to save mankind...

It doesn't even qualify as Spring Break.

-TE

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Please Welcome me

by Sofia Lose in

jw
friends

have lurked here for many, many years.

female, latina, middle-aged, born-in, 3rd generation jw, northeast usa.

my fate is to continue to play the game 'till death do us part because the very strong and tangled web of friends, family, business, etc.

TTATTelder

Welcome.

We are in the same boat. I am an elder stuck in. The less I believe, the more I move up in the organization. Unbelievable. Wish you the best.

-TE