Posts by Aroq

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Colossians 1:15-16 and the word "other"

by yogosans14 in

"he is the image of the invisible god, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities.

all [other] things have been created through him and for him.

" (col. 1:15-17, for context.

Aroq

You have referenced a non-Biblical text, 11Q13 is written in Hebrew however not considered a Biblical manuscript. This puts it in the catagory of comentary for me. While it may contain names or figures that are found in the Bible, it is not considered part of the Hebrew Bible by the Rabbi's and scholars.

In other words, it does not sway me away from the Bible and what the Bible speaks of. God can and does according to His will, as described in the Bible. I'm not trying to be blunt about it, but I believe that the Bible is the only inspired word of God and that is what I must rely upon.

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Colossians 1:15-16 and the word "other"

by yogosans14 in

"he is the image of the invisible god, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities.

all [other] things have been created through him and for him.

" (col. 1:15-17, for context.

Aroq

designs,

some of it, but the Dead Sea Scrolls are a two part group. One of that being Biblical and one not. While there are plenty of religious material out there, it is the Bible that is the inspired word of God, the rest is comentary.

The Qumran Caves Scrolls contain significant religious literature. They consist of two types: “biblical” manuscripts—books found in today’s Hebrew Bible, and “non-biblical” manuscripts—other religious writings circulating during the Second Temple era, often related to the texts now in the Hebrew Bible. Of this second category, some are considered “sectarian” in nature, since they appear to describe the religious beliefs and practices of a specific religious community. http://www.deadseascrolls.org.il/learn-about-the-scrolls/introduction

Israel's God was the God of gods, meaning no equal as to being the supreme. Some of the writings state that these "gods" worshiped the God of Israel, this can be the limited understanding of "angels" at the time. While YHWH is called God, no other "god" of these terms were called YHWH.

My statement still stands based upon my knowledge of the Dead Sea Scrolls. If you have further proof to dispute my statement, please provide so that I can read up and understand where you are comming from.

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Colossians 1:15-16 and the word "other"

by yogosans14 in

"he is the image of the invisible god, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities.

all [other] things have been created through him and for him.

" (col. 1:15-17, for context.

Aroq

The reason why a "lessor god" theory is important is because God is one, and if you add a "lessor god" who is also worshiped, then you have polytheism. Polytheism is against God's word. Worship has and is being given to Jesus, if He is not God then you have a problem.

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Question for active believing witnesses.

by Brainfloss in

oops ---next post.

Aroq

"1-- Is the hope you have dependant upon being one of Jehovahs Witnesses?" -Brainfloss

"1--yes. Unless Jehovah tells me otherwise (unlikely)." - a watcher

conclusion:

"Is it your belief that salvation comes exclusively through association with Jehovah's Witnesses" - Brainfloss

Is this not putting the ORG in the place of Jesus?

Has no JW read Psalms 146:3?

" Do not trust in princes,

In mortal man, in whom

there is no salvation."

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Evacuate Earth, Anyone see it on the history station?

by jam in

possible scenarios for evacuating the plant in the event.

of a worldwide disaster.

a ship that holds 250000, who will.

Aroq

this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_%28religious_group%29

Heaven's Gate, that was their plan but they didn't wait until the Earth was destroyed.

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Memorial to cease?

by Aroq in

i heard something about the memorial to cease soon.

not anything to do with jesus returning but rather that the number of folks partaking is increasing and the gb can't explain it since it should be decreasing or staying the same.. has anyone heard of this?

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Aroq

how is it impossible? I'm asking here because there are some here who have a little more insight/inside scoop.

I heard it rom an apostate website! hahahahhaha

I'm not making claims, I just want to know if anyone else has heard it.

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Memorial to cease?

by Aroq in

i heard something about the memorial to cease soon.

not anything to do with jesus returning but rather that the number of folks partaking is increasing and the gb can't explain it since it should be decreasing or staying the same.. has anyone heard of this?

.

Aroq

I heard something about the memorial to cease soon. Not anything to do with Jesus returning but rather that the number of folks partaking is increasing and the GB can't explain it since it should be decreasing or staying the same.

Has anyone heard of this?

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Birthday celebration/participation

by Zana in

my wife is considering to let our kids participate, maybe even celebrate their own birthdays.

she says what can be so bad about just giving a little kid (who doesn't yet understand the bible) a day full of joy and happiness?

she herself actually delayed her own baptism as a teenager in order to celebrate one more birthday.

Aroq

The reasoning of why birthdays are not celebrated are due to the beheading during the two instances that Jw's bring up in the Bible.

Here is what I bring up, based on the fact that a couple fellows were beheaded during a birthday, we can conclude with the same logic that anything that the end result is a beheading is evil and should be shunned. right?

Now I have two young children at home who take naps every now and then. Are afternoon naps ok? Surely they are not!!!! Those are evil according to the reasoning of a beheading!

2 Samuel 4:5 " So the sons of Rimmon the Beerothite, Rechab and Baanah, departed and came to the house of Ish-bosheth in the heat of the day while he was taking his midday rest. 6 They came to the middle of the house as if to get wheat, and they struck him in the belly; and Rechab and Baanah his brother escaped. 7 Now when they came into the house, as he was lying on his bed in his bedroom, they struck him and killed him and beheaded him ."

This is just an example of the inconsistancy in logic. No mother would/or could refuse their child a nap.

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What happens after you get the registered letter?

by paul from cleveland in

my friend's daughter, who was baptized at 14, has decided to leave the witnesses.

she's in her early 20's.

she's stopped going to meeting a while ago and moved in with her father who is disfellowshipped.

Aroq

"The BIG QUESTION is: Does she give a sh!t if she gets DFd or not?

If not, throw it away and go on with life." -DesirousOfChange

My thoughts exactly. Why play their games anymore?

It's their game and they rewrite the rules to fit, if you don't like it/play well with them, they'll take their ball and go home.

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Musings on recent things

by thedog1 in

just some thoughts on all the recent things going on.

i'm still recovering from the whole donation arrangement thing.

was speaking to some relatives who are also jw's and they don't really get what is going on but sense in some way that things are not right.

Aroq

I comment here very little, as I have never been a JW. I do not know what being a JW is like, all I know is what I read and observe within my own famliy and from here. The only thing I can say thedog1, is that you are among people here who have been in your same situation and care about where you are at. If they didn't, they wouldn't be here expressing their thoughts. Being in the position you are in (conducting WT) it makes it very difficult for you to attempt to research and not have it show thru you what you learned. Never stop searching for what it is you want answers to, its in the Bible.

I saw something today that made me think. There was a man in "charge" who did not believe what he himself was saying to his subordinates, but he kept on keeping on. The part that made me think was deep down those who are the leaders must do one of two things: either keep toeing the line and keep to himself until he has had enough, or stand up and make a change. Either way, the outcome was the same. The only thing different was the time it took to get there.

I am not saying you are this or that, it was just something that made me think and if it helps then great, if not let it pass.