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  Memorial Attendances This Year

  by steve2 in

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  have attendance figures at this year's memorial been released yet, including number of partakers?

  sometimes the kingdom ministry (now called christian life and ministry) provided local figures say for the country.. for two to three years the worldwide figure has hovered around the 19 plus million, with a drop off in attendance last year.. just wondered if there has been any change this year or if the downward trend has continued?

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  my guess based on just the numbers:

  2016 19,641,545 worldwide memorial attendance. 16,201 partakers
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  Nu-light on Heb 4:12 - "Word of God" == God's purpose as expressed in the scriptures

  by nmthinker in

  1. watchtower
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  watchtower has historically interpreted heb 4:12 as emphasizing the power of the holy scriptures to bring about changes in an individuals heart and actions.

  most christian faiths take the "word of god" to mean jesus and his teachings.. now in the sept 2016 study wt we have new light!

  its so clear now!

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  It is kind of startling, as time goes on, the JW org seems to become more and more like that organization they love to hate, the RCC. - sir82

  
  

  Why not? I mean it has kept many in bondage thus far. In other words.....It works
  
  
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  The best way for a witness to wake up, is to simply read the societies own older publications!

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  once again the society is on a push to scare witnesses away from doing any research, or "stumbling" upon any "apostate" material (from workmates, neighbors, or online).

  however, the most enlightening, mind blowing and eye opening things are found simple by reading the early publications themselves!.

  read how ct russel, (the supposed channel god was using) had the most far fetched and laughable ideas, such as obtaining pivotal dates by measuring the pyramids of egypt!...

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  "Remember it wasn't God that did anything to you, it was a human(s) that spoke for God..." - tor1500

  
  

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  RC 2016 Leaks & Releases

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in an effort to reduce the number of posts, this year i will try to add links to this post.

  now, on with the leaks & releases!

  first up.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nzvwhflss4.

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  Hey wait a minute, you mean I can move my wife to some rural area and get her away from the cult? With the exception of a single kh????? This might work out. The only influence will be Uber dubs and that might just wake my wife! Thank you gb for putting out this information.
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  Lurking JWs: Do people really need to know and use the word "Jehovah" or other language equivalents, to truly know God?

  by Island Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  watchtower puts forth the argument that you can't really know god unless you know and use the appellation "jehovah" or its equivalent in other languages.

  is this really true?

  i say it's not true and i will demonstrate to you why.. god's name is not a mere label that we have to use to communicate with him so that he knows we're talking to him.

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  ok, here is one that I have asked many JW's and they usually turn on me real quick. In the Bible teach book, it says that "true" worshipers teach others about God's name, his purposes, and his qualities. - pg 148. on page 147 it spells out the qualities of "true" worshipers.

  ok, now here is my question, if this defines what a true worshiper is, were Abraham, Issac and Jacob "true" worshipers?

  The answer is usually yes, of course they were. I then ask them to read Exodus 6:2. Here is Exodus it clearly states that God told Moses that He appeared to Abraham, Issac and Jacob as God Almighty, and God never told them His name. So the revelation of God's name was only from Moses onward. Since Abraham, Issac and Jacob never knew God's name, Tehy never spoke of God's name and made it known, were they "true" worshipers or not? According to the Bible teach book, they are not.
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  Tell me what you think.

  by Aroq in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok, i'm willing, and thinking about going to the meetings, but there is a catch.

  i'm not, nor ever be a jw.

  i know too much about their beliefs.

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  My kids do have the option of not going, but they get the guilt card played on them. I've even stepped in and said to quit trying to use guilt. As far as allowing them to go, well I agreed to both of us teaching them what we believe. They are NOT jws nor anything else until they are 18. There will be no baptism, none of that until they are adults. I have no need to go to another kh, as I have studied this org everyday for the past 6 years and know waaaay more about them than most jws do.
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  Tell me what you think.

  by Aroq in

  1. watchtower
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  ok, i'm willing, and thinking about going to the meetings, but there is a catch.

  i'm not, nor ever be a jw.

  i know too much about their beliefs.

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  Thank you all for the input. The unanimous opinion is no, not a good idea. I really appreciate shepardless' comments and have been doing this for most of my children's lives. I was just thinking it might help, but true that it would be far better to just work with my kids. I'm not a jw, I think I've been to a meeting once. That was only to see what my kids would have to go to.
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  Tell me what you think.

  by Aroq in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok, i'm willing, and thinking about going to the meetings, but there is a catch.

  i'm not, nor ever be a jw.

  i know too much about their beliefs.

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  Ok, I'm willing, and thinking about going to the meetings, but there is a catch. I'm not, nor ever be a jw. I know too much about their beliefs. But, my family are all in, and I know I've already ruined the thought of being "in the family" with my mil. Mostly because I asked too many questions that had no answer. I have two children that my wife takes them to the kh. I want them to see, that daddy isn't ignorant. Please give me your thoughts.

  My wife knows fully well I don't agree.
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  New light wt last Sunday Para 14 you can now

  by poopie in

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  2. friends

  enjoy your friends and families company as your annointed even if you are df i guess thst applies to everyone

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  prologos, actually Rev 20 does not limit those going to heaven. It limits those who will rule and reign, but it never give a direct number. It is a fallacy that there is a number associated with heaven bound folks. I can show you from Galatians if you'd like.
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  Does John 6:52-58 state that not only the anointed can partake?

  by MrsR-Awaken in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so i read a comment on youtube of someone stating that john 6:53-58 woke him up.

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  so jesus said to them: “most truly i say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in yourselves.+54 whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has everlasting life, and i will resurrect+ him on the last day;55 for my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink.56 whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood remains in union with me, and i in union with him.+ 57 just as the living father sent me and i live because of the father, so also the one who feeds on me will live because of me.+ 58 this is the bread that came down from heaven.

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  ahhh, Crazyguy, close but it actually says that cannot SEE the kingdom. That is even more proof, not only can you not enter, but you cannot see it either.