There is a GOD page on Facebook, that I 'liked' (it is sometimes amusing, and shocking, mostly due to agression and threats from religious types), and as a consequence my Mum is occasionally exposed to a post from this page. She sms'd me how offended she was by my involvment in such things and would I remove it. I thought about that for a day or so, and decided not to, for two reasons: 1) advertising 2) don't wanna!
AbaDaddy
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My mom wants me to disassociate myself from her on facebook if
by JWdaughter inmy mom sent me a email telling me that if i want to put any of that (non jw/non christian) religious stuff on my facebook then i should unfriend her.
i didn't respond directly.
i did take the email, remove id'ing aspects and ask my facebook friends to tell me what they thought of the request.
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New Homo erectus Skull Shakes up Palaeontology
by cofty ina fantastic homo erectus skull has been found in georgia - no not our former colony, the one in asia.. it is one of 5 that have been found at a site in dmanisi, it's the first homo erectus to be found outside of africa and it is in excellent condition.
the fossils are dated at 1.8 million years ago and comparisions of the specimens have thrown doubt over the details of human evolution.. it is possible that species previously named as h rudolfensis , h gautengensis , h ergaster and possibly h habilis were actually all h erectus.
the natural variation withing the species may be greater than thought previously.. the "lumpers" and the "splitters" are going to have plenty to argue about for years to come.. note to creationists - please read the article carefully.
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AbaDaddy
fakesmile:
" i can solve the mystery of evolution in one sentance... never underestimate a mans likleyhood of putting his willie where it doesnt belong. example... i recently heard that a sheep can carry a human fetus for several weeks. i do not care who or when that fact was confirmed. and i dont even want to think about the origin of the platypus. INTELLIGENCE? i think not."
Very good. Your Nobel Prize awaits. :-)
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"you're pretty compassionate for an atheist"
by Hortensia inmy favorite compliment of the day.
what a lot of assumptions people have about what makes an atheist tick..
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AbaDaddy
kassad84, only a fascist regime, like religion, or a gangster, would make such threats. there is an answer as to why this kind of ignorance is enforced, and the answer may be very revealing. it is this kind of thinking that has in the past held, and attempts to persist in holding, humanity and its progress in bondage. Faithful and discreet slave indeed.
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In general, the people on this forum have a poor outlook spiritually speaking.
by Stand for Pure Worship inso i waz reading the august 15 wt study article, elisha saw fiery chariots, do you?
and it made me think about this forum.
if you remember, syria was hunting god's prophet, elisha.
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AbaDaddy
"Really you should have been thinking about how best your individual efforts would serve in the best interest of the organization which Jehovah is using to accomplish His will."
It all sounds a bit group-selectionist (a controversial view in evolutionary theory); this would only work if some intelligence was managing it also. Well, that and facism, and communism, erm...:-)
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Best proof to give a JW that humans history is older than 6000 years?
by Mr Fool inlooking for proven evidences.
can it be proven that jerichos walls were built 8000bc?.
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AbaDaddy
Carbon dating; cave paitings; fossil evidence; tools, etc.
I assume you are talking about the history of homo sapiens
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"you're pretty compassionate for an atheist"
by Hortensia inmy favorite compliment of the day.
what a lot of assumptions people have about what makes an atheist tick..
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AbaDaddy
Hi villagegirl,
" I studied evolution"
not very well obviously. bad teacher?
begin your evolutionary thinking this way:
a rapidly replicating chemical algorythm
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"you're pretty compassionate for an atheist"
by Hortensia inmy favorite compliment of the day.
what a lot of assumptions people have about what makes an atheist tick..
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AbaDaddy
Hi Stand for pure worship, let's refine a few glaring assumptions, misconceptions and falsities:
1) "The thing about atheists is, their belief system is built upon chaos, if not fantasy."
Assuming you are theist/deist, this is a little ironic but more importantly, Atheism is not a belief system; indeed it is the rejection of one.
2) "You're talking about a demographic of people that fanatically devote themselves to the premise that life came out of nowhere."
Your choice of words, like 'fanatically' and 'devote', are unwarranted here unless you are referring to a specific atheist you know. You are also assuming the belief system of atheists. And that "life came out of nowhere" is a 'problem' we all have to face, whether you believe in a god or not.
3) "Not only that, but when it came about, it's building blocks provided a recipe for the impossible. That being, man evolved from monkies which is the atheist equivalent of the Genesis account."
- Again the assumption is that Atheists have a specific belief system. They do not.
- "...a recipe for the impossible". I have no problem with this, except to replace 'impossible' with 'improbable'.
- It is pedantic to argue this too much, but to add a little perspective, monkeys also evolved from monkey-like ancestors. and all mammals evolved from amphibian-like ancestors. we could go on.
- And the Genesis account being what; much more scientific and detailed?
4) "That said, it's difficult if not entirely impossible to believe these people have any compassion for their fellow man considering they believe everything in existence came about by chance."
we can explain 'compassion' and other so defined positive behaviours in other ways, but if you don't want to think about it, you can look to those atheists and atheist organisations that are compassionate, both generally and specifically, and maybe pause for thought as to why.
5) "They remind me of the sociopath in No Country for Old Men in that they believe the purpose in life is as meaninglessness as a coin toss."
- Do they indeed. May i suggest not becoming an atheist, because no god will save me from the likes of you.
- 'the purpose'? there's only one? the implication here is that someone set a purpose in motion, but again you assume too much. 'Meaning' can be defined in philosophical terms, scientific terms and general terms. It may help you, or in fact me, to define what is meant by 'meaning' here. Is an ant's life meaningless; a parrot's? is your life more meaningful then, say, a Buddhist's? from where does this meaning derive?
6) "That said, atheism may be as dangerous to modern civilized society as communism was in the previous century."
By this you mean the absence of religious thinking in politics may be dangerous or the assumed atheistic evolutionary thinking? Because you know, just because something IS does not mean that it OUGHT to be.
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What does freedom from The Watchtower look like in the life of a former JW?
by JustMeNonJDub inthoughts?.
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AbaDaddy
"quiet desperation" is actually ok, we all know how it feels. how we manage it is a toughy.
we seem to crave certainty, or at at least prediction (a map of how things will be), and we often satisfy it by handing it over to authority when we don't have the answers. religious authorities offer explanations, and the proverbial carrot on a stick helps us believe them. if we want to approximate the truth of something, if that indeed is what we are looking for, we may do better to keep our desires and fears suspended, remove any personal reward the claims may offer, then ask the questions.
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They are all SCREWED
by Terry injehovah's witnesses acquire peculiar ideas.. those peculiar ideas give rise to warped views.. the more warped a jw's outlook becomes the more the association with others whose thinking has twisted will conform and radicalize them.. .
consider this simple statement of scripture, first.. 1 timothy 5:8revised standard version (rsv).
8 if any one does not provide for his relatives, and especially for his own family, he has disowned the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.. .
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AbaDaddy
I would take comfort, since there are so many 'worse than an unbeliever' brandishings, in simply being an unbeliever if it weren't for the accusation against me of being worse than 'worse than an unbeliever', since I have 'heard' what Jehovah has to say and 'spat him in the face', or less histrionically, rejected him.
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What does freedom from The Watchtower look like in the life of a former JW?
by JustMeNonJDub inthoughts?.
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AbaDaddy
As someone that was born into the religion, leaving it was a daunting consideration; I had no experience, knew nothing of any alternative beliefs and lifestyles. I was 20 years old at the time, and in hindsight, over 20 years later now, it was the only right thing to do. So much has happened since then, but I can say with complete confidence that the decision to leave was unequivocally the best.
Altough I give complete encouragment and support for anyone seeking answers, I think it difficult to give advice to people who may be delicately and tentatively broaching the idea of leaving, as I know of people that did not manage so well, or even, at all. The reasons, of which I am quite sure, relating to the psychologically enforced dependence on the Organisation and the quite strictly advised segregation from anything and anyone else. Whilst never considering a return to faith - although, easing myself out, soothing my parents with the possibility - I did struggle psychologically. Although not officially disfellowshiped, I was 'marked' (publicly and personally ignored) by all, including my extended family, and any support or advice requested from my immediate family was denied. This, as it turns out, really was better for me, and not in the way they intended (or more correctly, were told to treat me). They simply had nothing to offer me; for what I was curious about and investigating I did not need their support or advice on anything. since I was 15 yrs old.
If leaving, I would advise to think and act responsibly whilst doing so, gather some support and maintain stability. At least until you gain confidence and independence in your decision.
Edit to add: As NVR2L8 neatly described, bad and/or no advice, support or encouragement on education, career and future planning is nothing short of criminal. The kind of indoctrination required (that's right, required; necessary, even) by many religious organisations should be considered, as Dawkins not so tacitly states, abusive.