1) in conscious level, everyone agrees with the principle of cause and effect that says a cause precedes every effect, and every effect is the cause for another effect/s.
in subconscious level, everyone knows that if there is a cause for everything, then there a cause (or a designer) for the principle of causation also.
and this cause is more real than the principle of causation itself, just like source is more real than the resources!.
Cofty:
To a vegetarian shop-keeper, would you ask: “Are you in any way connected with non-vegetarian lobby?”
When someone discusses Bible and JWs, I wonder how can people ask such UNRELATED question, even after saying in a previous thread:
“Let us not spoil the discussions with unrelated subjects.”
1) in conscious level, everyone agrees with the principle of cause and effect that says a cause precedes every effect, and every effect is the cause for another effect/s.
in subconscious level, everyone knows that if there is a cause for everything, then there a cause (or a designer) for the principle of causation also.
and this cause is more real than the principle of causation itself, just like source is more real than the resources!.
You can disagree--that is the beauty of cause and effect principle!
Cause and effect principle is all about freedom and benefit!
1) You know better than anybody that your present is the result of the choices you made in the past—hence it follows that your future will be the result of choices you make in the present! Hence you can have control your future; hence it is about FREEDOM!
2) You want to take a particular course of action, and you have countless examples of people who have ALREADY taken such a course and reaped its consequences. Hence you can choose only those actions which brings benefits to you; hence it is about BENEFITS.
God has no role to play, because Cause and Effect mechanism DOES it any way!
1) in conscious level, everyone agrees with the principle of cause and effect that says a cause precedes every effect, and every effect is the cause for another effect/s.
in subconscious level, everyone knows that if there is a cause for everything, then there a cause (or a designer) for the principle of causation also.
and this cause is more real than the principle of causation itself, just like source is more real than the resources!.
1) In conscious level, everyone agrees with the principle of cause and effect that says a cause precedes every effect, and every effect is the cause for another effect/s
In subconscious level, everyone knows that if there is a cause for everything, then there a CAUSE (or a designer) for the principle of Causation also. And this CAUSE is more real than the principle of causation itself, just like source is more real than the resources!
Atheists are reluctant to personify that PRIMARY CAUSE as God because of the history of religions which became a synonym for greed and human rights abuse.
[Principle of Causation can originate only from a Master Designer who is altruistic as its primary objective is our own benefit.
a) A lazy student who prefers enjoyment to studies suffers his rest of his life; so is the case of a lazy man. Seeing the working of Principle of Causation in their lives and seeing their experiences, others resolve to be diligent and enjoy the rest of their lives.
b) Even Super Powers learn from Principle of Causation. Fighting many wars in the Middle East, America became tired. US President Barack Obama, announcing a shift in the Middle East policy, said a couple of months ago that it is better we try for friendly neighbors rather than fighting wars in the Middle East. This echoes the return to the age-old wisdom that a friendly neighbor is a better security than a costly war or a sophisticated war-machinery. This CAUSE produced a good effect: Iran expressed its willingness to open its nuclear facilities to international inspectors and start dialogue on even restoring Diplomatic Ties with the US that was broken in 1979.]
2) For what man spends MORE would reveal his actual belief. The amount spent on military expenses globally per head is more than the amount needed for day-to-day living of a person! Hence the basic quality of man is that he desires peace and security. But because of the fear of domination by other nations, humans unconsciously support war. This hatred of domination by others is the result of realization that we are all equal, and should not allow, at any cost, anybody to dominate us! This idea of equality (for which even Constitutions of all countries—including the UN Charter—are made) presupposes the existence of a Supreme Father. (Mathew 23:9)
3) It may be the illogicality of the portrayal of God (not the illogicality of existence of God) and the exploitation in the name of God that gave rise to many of the atheists. For example,
In the East, religions teach that we are all Gods (which would mean even a terrorist/pedophile is also a god).
In the West, religions teach that God had to murder the most innocent child of His to forgive the sins of some of his children (which means God is so bankrupt of ideas that He became the greatest sinner as to remove the sins of some people). And even after such a costliest act, still SIN rules as king over manikind!
jws view every verse of the bible as inspired.
this is nothing but following the blind guides of ancient times!
1) someone felt the need of projecting jesus being born through a virgin.
kaik,
If they were sent by Satan, why should Satan help them with that particular choice of gifts with theological insight into Jesus's proposed three roles—something which disciples could not have grasped even after directly being trained by Jesus himself, who showed even power over natural forces and death itself!
Would that not mean that Satan is co-operating with God and Jesus?
jws view every verse of the bible as inspired.
this is nothing but following the blind guides of ancient times!
1) someone felt the need of projecting jesus being born through a virgin.
JWs view every verse of the Bible as inspired. This is nothing but following the blind guides of ancient times! Let us see how it is!
1) Someone felt the need of projecting Jesus being born through a virgin. Hence got the idea incorporated into the Mathew’s gospel: “All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).” (Mathew 1:22, 23) This supposed prophesy is found in Isaiah chapter 7:1-17. It speaks of a “young woman” (almah), not about virgin. And interestingly, it speaks about somebody else, and has nothing to do with Jesus.
2) Magi from the east coming to visit Jesus and presenting him “him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh.” (Mathew 2:1-12) They actually behaved as if they KNEW the theology that was developed gradually in the later centuries! Gold symbolizes gift for a King; frankincense a gift for a priest; Myrrh a gift for someone to die. It means people from the East, who had no theological insight of Jesus perfectly understood without any training about the three major roles Jesus would play—KING, PRIEST, AND MESSIAH WHO WOULD DIE. It is unlikely that people from the East would understand them while Jesus’s own disciples could not, even after receiving training directly from Jesus for over three years. (Mathew 26:10-13 Contrast John 6:60)
These are some of the instances where WT is following the blind guides of ancient times.
“If the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.”—Mathew 15:14
this year has gone with the wind.. as the year draws to a close, its good to look back with appreciation on what has been achieved, and to begin to create a vision of the future that we want for ourselves.. wishing you all a very.
happy christmas.
happy new year.
This year has ‘Gone With the Wind’.
As the year draws to a close, it’s good to look back with appreciation on what has been achieved, and to begin to create a vision of the future that we want for ourselves.
Wishing you all a very
HAPPY CHRISTMAS
HAPPY NEW YEAR
i was reading the portion for the christmas eve.. an angel of the lord appeared to the shepherds and told them: "today in the town of david a savior has been born to you; he is the messiah, the lord.
..... suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising god and saying:glory to god in the highest heaven, and on earth peace to those on whom his favor rests.
when the angels had left them and gone into heaven, the shepherds said to one another, lets go to bethlehem and see this thing that has happened, which the lord has told us about.
A country will not send a costly missile if the desired result is not going to happen.
Similarly, God will not send a team to accomplish practically nothing while the same team can accomplish immense results if they were sent later at right time to right people!
What was best for God—sending the army of angel at the time of Jesus’ birth to some shepherds—which brought no gain, or to send the same team at the time of Jesus’s trial, to Rulers or Jurists who can bring about much gain in favor of God’s purpose?
The very fact that army of angels were sent once means they can be sent again for a worthwhile cause. If they are not sent for the right cause and at right time and to right people means they have not been sent at wrong time at wrong place and to wrong people.
God will not perform wasteful acts—hence army of angels coming to shepherds makes no sense, serves no purpose!
i was reading the portion for the christmas eve.. an angel of the lord appeared to the shepherds and told them: "today in the town of david a savior has been born to you; he is the messiah, the lord.
..... suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising god and saying:glory to god in the highest heaven, and on earth peace to those on whom his favor rests.
when the angels had left them and gone into heaven, the shepherds said to one another, lets go to bethlehem and see this thing that has happened, which the lord has told us about.
Laika:
What the Roman Empire embraced was the 4th C distorted version of Christianity--that was under Constantine.
What I was referring the pure Christianity of 1st C, directly linked to Jesus Christ!
i was reading the portion for the christmas eve.. an angel of the lord appeared to the shepherds and told them: "today in the town of david a savior has been born to you; he is the messiah, the lord.
..... suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising god and saying:glory to god in the highest heaven, and on earth peace to those on whom his favor rests.
when the angels had left them and gone into heaven, the shepherds said to one another, lets go to bethlehem and see this thing that has happened, which the lord has told us about.
prologos:
Even that script (if at all there were one) was back-fired!
Ransom teaching is only perpetrating what it was supposed to do away with! Have you not heard JWs (or anyone elser for that matter) praying? We thank you for the blessings … and on the basis of ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ we seek your forgiveness for our sins! Thus Jesus’s death became a license to continue sin and to CONTINUE SEEKING FORGIVENESS!
i was reading the portion for the christmas eve.. an angel of the lord appeared to the shepherds and told them: "today in the town of david a savior has been born to you; he is the messiah, the lord.
..... suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising god and saying:glory to god in the highest heaven, and on earth peace to those on whom his favor rests.
when the angels had left them and gone into heaven, the shepherds said to one another, lets go to bethlehem and see this thing that has happened, which the lord has told us about.
I was reading the portion for the Christmas eve.
An angel of the Lord appeared to the shepherds and told them: "Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.” ….. Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying:“Glory to God in the highest heaven, and on earth peace to those on whom his favor rests.” When the angels had left them and gone into heaven, the shepherds said to one another, “Let’s go to Bethlehem and see this thing that has happened, which the Lord has told us about.” (Luke 2:8-15)
If God had sent the same army of angels to the place where Jesus was being tried under false charges and had them repeat those sayings, tailored to the need of the hour, Pontius Pilate, would have ordered the death punishment of the REAL/SADISTIC culprits, instead of Jesus!
And not only Pilate, the whole Roman Empire would have embraced Christianity (thus pre-empting all the later persecutions brought on innocent Christians)
