Posts by emeth

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ATMs in assembly halls

by Xanthippe in

i only heard about these atms last year on this forum.

the poster seemed to be saying they are for donating only, is that correct?

absolutely gobsmacked over this, don't the brothers see any correlation between this and the likes of jimmy swaggart?

emeth

@MNIL the stories that blondie came up with are not relevant. Some of them are 30 - 40 years old.

And the one of 2003 (which is not an article in Awake! but just a quote from a news article that appeared in a newspaper) is talking about atm's in local churches (like having atm's in local Kingdom Halls) and putting copies of the receipts on the collection plate.

So that it cost money to organise conventions, assemblies, run a branch office is obvious. Also that the expenses must be covered. That means that, if we like things to continue as they are, every circuit of congregations has to contribute.

the difference is.. we dont pass the plates, we dont approach individuals and ask if they donated yet, we dont need proof or copy of receipts. Its just a system of voluntary donations. If someone would like to give its possible. If another one dont want to give,.. no one will notice or know.. except the person itself and Jehovah.

Again its only logical that in a cashless society stores, shops and organisations adapt to the new situation in order to get the funds that are needed

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ATMs in assembly halls

by Xanthippe in

i only heard about these atms last year on this forum.

the poster seemed to be saying they are for donating only, is that correct?

absolutely gobsmacked over this, don't the brothers see any correlation between this and the likes of jimmy swaggart?

emeth

@Splash

1. in the Netherlands all people have bankcards that is not the same as a credit card.

2. dozens of articles (in the watchtower & awake) about money, debt etc etc say over and over again that people must not spent what they dont have and not to buy things someone cant afford. So every brother or sister is aware of this advise. The bible (and also a recent study article in the watchtower) tells us that taking care of the needs for the family (food, clothing and shelter) must have a priority. And that when you offer something to Jehovah but neglect your family it is in vain.

So we are taught only to give what we can give and of what we have, and not to give if we dont have it or cant give because of other priorities.

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ATMs in assembly halls

by Xanthippe in

i only heard about these atms last year on this forum.

the poster seemed to be saying they are for donating only, is that correct?

absolutely gobsmacked over this, don't the brothers see any correlation between this and the likes of jimmy swaggart?

emeth

Here in the Netherlands we are discouraged in shops to pay with cash and electronic payment with bankcards is encouraged. So nowadays people dont use/have much cash on hand , simply because they dont need it and its more secure if you dont have any (they cant steal what you dont have)

So its only logical that at assemblies and conventions donating with bankcards is an option. Its secure, fast and simple and everybody has a bankcard with them.

furthermore there is no difference between a box for donations or an atm machine,.. its just the modern equivalent.

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Donations - how much is normal?

by Frazzled UBM in

how much would a well-off witness be expected to donate?

my wife has just withdrawn a few hundred pounds from her account and refuses to tell me why so i suspect she plans to donate it as she hasn't donated for a while because she knows i don't want our money going to the organisation.

is it likely that she is feeling under pressure to make a large donation?.

emeth

@frazzled and Kate

jgnat and Apognophos tell it how it is.

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Donations - how much is normal?

by Frazzled UBM in

how much would a well-off witness be expected to donate?

my wife has just withdrawn a few hundred pounds from her account and refuses to tell me why so i suspect she plans to donate it as she hasn't donated for a while because she knows i don't want our money going to the organisation.

is it likely that she is feeling under pressure to make a large donation?.

emeth

@frazzled i dont know anyone who is pressured or guilted to give anything. Giving money does not lead to eternal life or to be forgiven for sins. People who love Jehovah and who think they belong to His organisation and who think that they are supporting the 'good cause' by making voluntary contributions love to give if they have enough resources to do so.

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Donations - how much is normal?

by Frazzled UBM in

how much would a well-off witness be expected to donate?

my wife has just withdrawn a few hundred pounds from her account and refuses to tell me why so i suspect she plans to donate it as she hasn't donated for a while because she knows i don't want our money going to the organisation.

is it likely that she is feeling under pressure to make a large donation?.

emeth

there is no 'normal'.... each gives what his heart tells him/her to give

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I want my donations back!

by Hortenzie in

i want to ask wt for my donations back.

i live in canada and i have income tax receipts from them so i can prove how much i gave them.... anybody ever tried something like that or heard about somebody doing it?

what approach should i take?.

emeth

Wahahahahaha finally i had a good laugh because of this forum

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The Apostasy Project - UK

by wizzstick in

this is interesting.. the apostasy project is by the rationalist association and is helping those who wish to leave their religion do so:.

http://apostasy.org.uk/.

direct link to their video:.

emeth

whatever... you all sound like Don Quixote s fighting the watchtower windmills. It wont do anything, you all waste your time day in .. day out... year in .. year out with talking about it, being frustrated. And all there is to conclude after each year is that your 'problem' did not go away but instead of that .. it grew bigger year after year and will continue to do so.

Anyway, Jehovah's Witnesses believe that no one is asking for money, dont feel that they are pressured to give. They know that no one knows if they gave anything or not. They are the ones who know since they live the life of a witness.

But still those Don Quixote s like you believe otherwise. I cant change that.. and i dont feel the need to do so.

Now back to the topic of this thread... i see a lot of Donate... Donate .. Donate more! We need it now! mumbo jumbo on the url that is given to pay someone who can answer email.

Come on guys... help your friend out,.. donate!

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The Apostasy Project - UK

by wizzstick in

this is interesting.. the apostasy project is by the rationalist association and is helping those who wish to leave their religion do so:.

http://apostasy.org.uk/.

direct link to their video:.

emeth

@DD you paint your picture ... we have ours.

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The Apostasy Project - UK

by wizzstick in

this is interesting.. the apostasy project is by the rationalist association and is helping those who wish to leave their religion do so:.

http://apostasy.org.uk/.

direct link to their video:.

emeth

@Outlaw as a matter a fact i help organising them. Also at assemblies/conventions no person is asked for money on a individual basis. No collection plate is passed around. If someone would like to contribute its possible. That happens anonymous. No one knows who gave what or when... or if anyone gave anything or not.

So is it possible to run an organisation on air or water ? No ... unfortunately is is not. Money is needed, bills are there to be paid. So on an assembly a few short statements are made about the possibilities to contribute and where/how people can if they like. Not more not less.