i know that this has been discussed in the past but i wanted to get some fresh opinions.
there are many out there that recognize the "rot" that is in watchtower but still feel that there is a "wholesome" side to it and are trying to bring about change or reform from within.. in 2002 when the rose colored glasses came off for me and i truly started to understand ttatt, i still felt that there was some redemable aspects of the organization.. i felt that russell had some doctrinal things right.
i don't feel like that anymore.
Organisms unable (or unwilling) to adapt to a rapidly changing environment are destined for extinction; it's a fundamental aspect of reality.
True,... soon Jehovah will focus on those who did not want to adapt and , because of that, are destined for extinction.
i know that this has been discussed in the past but i wanted to get some fresh opinions.
there are many out there that recognize the "rot" that is in watchtower but still feel that there is a "wholesome" side to it and are trying to bring about change or reform from within.. in 2002 when the rose colored glasses came off for me and i truly started to understand ttatt, i still felt that there was some redemable aspects of the organization.. i felt that russell had some doctrinal things right.
i don't feel like that anymore.
I guarantee you if you was to conduct a survey in one of the most poulated places on the planet and interview a million people and ask every single one of them what " are the main details of the Kingdom of God that we as Jehovahs Witnessess are preaching?" that 99.999999% of all people will answer " the only real things I know about JW's are a) they dont take blood transfusions, b) dont celebrate Christmas and c) bang on my door trying to flog me unintersting magazines!
@jookbeard Thats says more about those people, their interests, priorities and attention than it says about our message and how we bring it.
i know that this has been discussed in the past but i wanted to get some fresh opinions.
there are many out there that recognize the "rot" that is in watchtower but still feel that there is a "wholesome" side to it and are trying to bring about change or reform from within.. in 2002 when the rose colored glasses came off for me and i truly started to understand ttatt, i still felt that there was some redemable aspects of the organization.. i felt that russell had some doctrinal things right.
i don't feel like that anymore.
@Jookbeard I think the ancient nation of Israel was of little relevance, to the people and world citizens in general, too. They were a small nation ,.. of no signifigance to the rest of the world. So what? We are not here to be relevant to the rest of the world, we dont care what people think of us. Contrary to you i think that the world will continue to recognise Jehovah's Witnesses and will know who they are. So lets sit back and wait those 'coming years'. I look forward to it.
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i know that this has been discussed in the past but i wanted to get some fresh opinions.
there are many out there that recognize the "rot" that is in watchtower but still feel that there is a "wholesome" side to it and are trying to bring about change or reform from within.. in 2002 when the rose colored glasses came off for me and i truly started to understand ttatt, i still felt that there was some redemable aspects of the organization.. i felt that russell had some doctrinal things right.
i don't feel like that anymore.
@Jookbeard And your point is? 100 yrs ago there were only 6000 publishers worldwide.. now there are about 8 million.
The only reason why its more difficult in china and islamic countries is because we have to do our work underground. But things can change in a short period of time. We had the same experience during the 90's in former Soviet Union and experienced enormous growth after its downfall. Now, since 2011, dictators that ruled the middle east for decades are thrown of their pedestals, so who knows how that region will look like in the next years. With Jehovah all is possible and he is not looking for quantity but quality. Luckily we dont exist to impress you or anyone else on this forum
i know that this has been discussed in the past but i wanted to get some fresh opinions.
there are many out there that recognize the "rot" that is in watchtower but still feel that there is a "wholesome" side to it and are trying to bring about change or reform from within.. in 2002 when the rose colored glasses came off for me and i truly started to understand ttatt, i still felt that there was some redemable aspects of the organization.. i felt that russell had some doctrinal things right.
i don't feel like that anymore.
@jookbeard in time a lot will be destroyed but Jehovah's Witnesses wont be part of that. If the time comes that growth will stop its time for Jehovah's Witnesses to rejoice because it will mean that all who is worth it is gathered. So i am not contesting that its more difficult to find a listening ear. I just stated that the facts bugbear used were not correct.
i know that this has been discussed in the past but i wanted to get some fresh opinions.
there are many out there that recognize the "rot" that is in watchtower but still feel that there is a "wholesome" side to it and are trying to bring about change or reform from within.. in 2002 when the rose colored glasses came off for me and i truly started to understand ttatt, i still felt that there was some redemable aspects of the organization.. i felt that russell had some doctrinal things right.
i don't feel like that anymore.
@bugbear get your facts straight. First of all there are about 8 million publishers. Second growth is higher than 1.1% Most of the years its above 2% last year it was 1.9%
"it is appreciated that these documents do not reflect the current understanding of the bible enjoyed by jehovah's witnesses, and for up-to-date information the reader is encouraged to visit the official site of the watchtower bible and tract society.".
http://www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/.
@wasblind exactly as i said before , if someone (even my own son) would reject the religion ( so not just quietly fade away) or starts vocalising why the religion is not true i will consider that person bad association and in case of a family member reduce contact to a minimum needed to maintain certain family affairs. I have seen people fade away and they still have good contact with their family members and even when they see or meet brothers and sisters they greet eachother and ask how things are going. The problem starts if someone does more than just quietly fading away.
dont misunderstand me i am "whole souled'' towards every biblical teaching, also if the concequence of such teachings is that painful measures have to be taken.
Maybe in your opinion there is no true warmth. My experience is totally different, i never found better friends, or people i could trust more or more caring people than Jehovah's Witnesses. We do many things outside the meetings , we have dinner parties , picknicks and high tea sessions together with lots of different brothers and sisters, we do treasurehunts in the woods, quests bbq's and sportevents with our congregation etc etc. So i have another experience.
And when i talk to many brothers and sisters i dont get a feeling they stopped thinking at some point.
The kind of thinking you refer too is not helpful among united lovers and worshippers of Jehovah. That kind of thinking can cause you and other people you share those thoughts with spiritual damage. And what if something is really wrong? Patience is a virtue,.. the matter will be solved eventually at its own time.
anyone know why it is taking so long for it to be put on on jw.org?
it supposedly highlights the jw.org website so is there a special campaign or something?
i would have expected it to be there already since both editions of the watchtower have been there for a while..
@pixel they claim their website is unique. And in their opinion its the best website on the internet but i dont think they would say that out loud or in publications. WWW.JW.ORG has about 700.000 unique visitors a day. Most of them are non-witnesses. Witnesses have no reason to visit the site every day because the site is not updated daily. Besides that they have all the movies on dvd and publications in paper. Before september 2012 jw.org also offered magazines and the bible in mp3/epub and pdf and was ranked between 7000 and 10.000. The other site www.watchtower.org was ranked around 20,000 and their media website www.jw-media.org around rank 100,000.
So since september 2012 they made a big jump. That is simply because they actively promote their website in their magazines, brochures and tract. They have QR codes and even a kind of businesscards with the weburl on it. It also works well. Last month i was asked to visit someone who had requested for a biblestudy via JW.ORG. Was the first time for me that i met someone through the website.
In the coming year the website will be promoted more towards people in the field but also among witnesses themselves because on the website will come more and more things that can only be found on the website (like family study projects, stuff for teenagers, youngsters and kids). Last weeks KM was about using the website for children and family study.
That focus towards JW.ORG will increase traffic
@factfinder LoL Witnesses are not instructed to visit JW.ORG only . They are free to use the internet as they want. They use their own moral compass that protects them for certain influences like pornsites.
@data-dog the only biblesite ranking above jw.org is biblegateway.org and jw.org have about 8 million people instead of 7 million promoting it.
@stuckinamovement Not at all! JW.ORG has a lot more to offer that magazines cant like movies, audio, sign language, projects for families and kids in hundreds of languages just with a click of a button. And many magazines are spread among the public without a following revisit. Now there is a big change the readers revisit us.
"it is appreciated that these documents do not reflect the current understanding of the bible enjoyed by jehovah's witnesses, and for up-to-date information the reader is encouraged to visit the official site of the watchtower bible and tract society.".
http://www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/.
@wasblind first of all everyone who feels Jehovah's Witnesses are in a totalitarian religion should leave. I never felt that it is/was. My contact with the local elders and even the CO is wonderful. I am not seen as luke warm at all you dont have to worry. I dont know how long ago you left the JW's cause your thoughts on how brothers and sisters react towards eachoter is not a good reflection on how things really are nowadays.
Treating people as luke warm would not be very loving, encouraging and would bring divisions. For example last watchtower study warns us for that and emphasizes on giving compliments, being encouraging and to maintain unity.
anyone know why it is taking so long for it to be put on on jw.org?
it supposedly highlights the jw.org website so is there a special campaign or something?
i would have expected it to be there already since both editions of the watchtower have been there for a while..
@pixel indeed 644 milion websites on the www... and JW.ORG is already a year (since dec 2012) ranked somewhere in the top 2000 of most visited sites on earth ,... at certain point they were even around the 1400/1600/1800 position.
if you compare that with any other church or religious site none (besides the mormons) of them even come close (for example the site of the vatican with 1.2 billion catholics is ranked only in the top 10.000 till 40,000. The only site that topped the witnesses was the bible itself at biblegateway.com
to check traffic yourself visit www.alexa.com or www.statscrop.com
Few years ago JW.org and Watchtower.org were also ranked 20,000 to 40,000 so they must be doing something right since september 2012.
For all those who are interested here is the web version of the Jan 2014 awake about JW.org
