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Atheists and JWs are on the same footing!

by exWTslave in

11 years ago

atheists believe that god should stop the large-scale injustice on earth; if he does'nt, then he does not exist.

jws believe that god will intervene sometime in the last days!.

interestingly, both throw themselves on their own expectation of soemthing god should or will do, yet in fact something god does not have to do.

11 years ago

KateWild 11 years ago

Kate - By definition a theist believes that god is intimately involved in human affairs in every moment. If you dont believe this you are a deist or atheist.-cofty

hahaha!!!! haven't we already established this months ago.

I have never blamed man for natural diasters, that's just silly. I agree many will always die from natural disasters it's a fact of life but, natural disaster are not evil, niether is the creator God. I don't like labelling myelf a deist as my beliefs are unique, but I am certainly not an atheist, or as you put it cofty, I just don't know it. Kate xx

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Atheists and JWs are on the same footing!

by exWTslave in

11 years ago

atheists believe that god should stop the large-scale injustice on earth; if he does'nt, then he does not exist.

jws believe that god will intervene sometime in the last days!.

interestingly, both throw themselves on their own expectation of soemthing god should or will do, yet in fact something god does not have to do.

11 years ago

KateWild 11 years ago

In the form of a discussion forum it is interesting to me the theists point of view, after all the people who are affected by suffering , torture, agony through no fault of their own may rightly wonder why the loving god they believe in has abandoned them to their fate.-galaxie

Yes I do believe that many feel abandoned by God, as I once did. But now I felt I was abandoned by my loved ones, God was not counted as one of those. Those that have the power to end our suffering and do not are evil, they see the abuse and fail to act, they cause the abuse and enjoy it. This is evil. I just don't imagine God is caring or kind. He is simply indifferent.

Kate xx

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Atheists and JWs are on the same footing!

by exWTslave in

11 years ago

atheists believe that god should stop the large-scale injustice on earth; if he does'nt, then he does not exist.

jws believe that god will intervene sometime in the last days!.

interestingly, both throw themselves on their own expectation of soemthing god should or will do, yet in fact something god does not have to do.

11 years ago

KateWild 11 years ago

What would be your opinion of this god (should he exist ) who indifferently with his foreknowledge and ability does zilch to prevent horrendous agony and suffering to his creations?-galaxie

I am not sure I understand the question. This is where a lot of atheists come unstuck. They claim.......................

If God exists he is evil

The point is they don't belive he does exist so specualting on his personality is something I cannot comprehend. I don't believe God wrote the bible, I don't belive God punishes or rewards, hence I don't believ e your question makes sense. I am not angered by suffering I am angred by the evil I see in other humans and animals. I hold those to account that I can see are accountable.

If a dog savagely attacked another dog, or child or cat, I would hold the dog accountable for it's actions and punish the dog if it were in my power to do so. In the UK many would have this savage beast put down.

Deaths from natural disasters could be prevented from being so high if governments were held to account more. Building on fault lines is a recepie for disaster, not using proper materials and evacuating at the right times is a recepie for disaster. Very rarely does a natural disaster occur without warning. Then there is the clean up after a disaster, this all too often takes far to long and citizens living in squalor for many years after.

Kate xx

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Atheists and JWs are on the same footing!

by exWTslave in

11 years ago

atheists believe that god should stop the large-scale injustice on earth; if he does'nt, then he does not exist.

jws believe that god will intervene sometime in the last days!.

interestingly, both throw themselves on their own expectation of soemthing god should or will do, yet in fact something god does not have to do.

11 years ago

KateWild 11 years ago

an important aspect of this imo is that both science and religion and other subjects then have opportunites to ask questions that have not been asked. - Ruby

This is a good point, I agree. Science and religion both fuel enquiry and discoveries are made and inventions are created. Life progresses. Nice point Ruby.

Kate xx

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Not on jw.org - comments regarding bad Jehovah's Witness employees

by jwfacts in

11 years ago

i used to be very impressed with convention experiences regarding how worldly employers would hire jws because they were known as the most honest workers.

i was too indoctrinated to realise these were selective experiences, and there are plenty of experiences of jws being dishonest in the workforce.

i have received a couple recently by email.. i have cut quite a bit out of the following email i received so that the person and company cannot be indentified, but you will get the message.. .

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KateWild 11 years ago

One JW that worked for me, breached confidentiality and told the elders something that got me df'd and then she resigned. Some emplyees whether JW or not have their priorities mixed up. This one certainly did.

All the other JWs that worked for me were great, and some don't resign just cos I am Df'd. Some non JWs are terrible employees too.

Phizzy thanks for your experience, it emphasises we should not have all our eggs in one basket.

Kate xx

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Not on jw.org - comments regarding bad Jehovah's Witness employees

by jwfacts in

11 years ago

i used to be very impressed with convention experiences regarding how worldly employers would hire jws because they were known as the most honest workers.

i was too indoctrinated to realise these were selective experiences, and there are plenty of experiences of jws being dishonest in the workforce.

i have received a couple recently by email.. i have cut quite a bit out of the following email i received so that the person and company cannot be indentified, but you will get the message.. .

11 years ago

KateWild 11 years ago

Thanks jwfacts for this. More need to see that JWs can be a workplace disaster. We are all individuals, we should not generalise. Anyone else got any more examples?

Kate xx

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Is God evil, just because he fails to prevent suffering?

by defender of truth in

11 years ago

a poster on another thread made the following comment, that really made me think.. it is about god: .

"imo i would say [god is] not evil but just indifferent.

apathy allows it.

11 years ago

KateWild 11 years ago

Like many on this thread have already said it depends how we view God. Some atheists have expressed that if God were supposed to be omnipitent and benevolent, then his indifference is evil. But atheists in general don't even believe in God, so why philosophise about the type of God?

Personally I view God as a creator and just that. I don't see him as omnipitent or benevolent, so his indifference is no surprise to me. I credit him for a lot of beauty and pleasure in the world, but do not credit him for natural disasters or the evil of others, I am also loathed to blame Satan for all bad things. That was my JW line, and I don't like that excuse, it's just not satisfying.

I just don't think God has control over these things, or cares enough to make a difference. The fact that I believe he is there, has no bearing on my thoughts on suffering in this world. I think it's all seperate.

Kate xx

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Atheists and JWs are on the same footing!

by exWTslave in

11 years ago

atheists believe that god should stop the large-scale injustice on earth; if he does'nt, then he does not exist.

jws believe that god will intervene sometime in the last days!.

interestingly, both throw themselves on their own expectation of soemthing god should or will do, yet in fact something god does not have to do.

11 years ago

KateWild 11 years ago

Hi kate ,, woukd you not agree that indifference by a theistic god of whom cofty is referring ( the one who is deemed as loving and concerned for his creations )is entireky different from animals or so called imperfect humans.- galaxie

I am afraid I don't agree. Indifference by anyone is not the same as purposeful harm. There is a lot of evil in this world, greed, selfishness and gaining pleasure form other's misery. None of this can be compared with simply being indifferent. Many are so wrapped up with their own little world they have no comprehension of the world around them, God is the same in my eyes, wrapped up in his world of creation to even be bothered about the ant that gets trodden on by the human.

It's a natural disaster for the ant, but the human, like God is indifferent to such a small impact in his life.

Kate xx

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just what am I supposed to believe now??

by purrpurr in

11 years ago

while i'm glad i found this site, it has also crumbled to bits everything i've believed in my whole life.

i feel like the certainty, magic and wonder has gone out of my life.

this has left a huge hole in my soul.

11 years ago

KateWild 11 years ago

purr purr,

You can believe what ever you wish to believe, there are many Athiest vs God threads on this site and many more no doubt to come. I read a lot of them until I came to the conclusion about what I believe. I believe in a God who is a creator, but I don't believe he rewards or punishes humans. Some people stay undecided and reamain happy.

Doing lots of research helps one establish their beliefs.

Kate xx

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Atheists and JWs are on the same footing!

by exWTslave in

11 years ago

atheists believe that god should stop the large-scale injustice on earth; if he does'nt, then he does not exist.

jws believe that god will intervene sometime in the last days!.

interestingly, both throw themselves on their own expectation of soemthing god should or will do, yet in fact something god does not have to do.

11 years ago

KateWild 11 years ago

In the face of human suffering that would make him evil.-cofty

That is an interesting perspective cofty, where do you draw the line at accountability? Lets take ants for example, they work hard live in a colony but they are indifferent to other ants suffering each ant is programmed to do it's job and nothing else.

Then the hampster, it's indifferent to the plight of the budgie being eaten by the cat.

Babies and children are often indifferent to one anothers suffering, even many human's are not interested in anyone beyond their own nose. Are all these insects, animals, humans classed as evil?

IMO I would say not evil but just indifferent. For me evilness is more classified with intentional acts to harm deliberately out of vengence, anger, malice and even pleasure. To me that is what evil stands for. Indifference is something comepletly different in my view.

Kate xx

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