Freddo, redpill, Laika,
Thanks for your posts.
Azor, I am so sorry that your dad separated you from your mum. Did you always know what he was doing was wrong? or Did he tell you negative things about your mum that you believed?
my son sent me a wonderful song a month ago on this thread.
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5704271907520512/my-wonderful-son.
it's amazing how a bad experience can trigger action.
Freddo, redpill, Laika,
Thanks for your posts.
Azor, I am so sorry that your dad separated you from your mum. Did you always know what he was doing was wrong? or Did he tell you negative things about your mum that you believed?
your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
Molecules often need a bit of help to get together. The matchmakers are called catalysts. Imagine the result though if the end product ALSO has the right properties to catalyse more molecules. Each generation not only produces more end product but also more catalysts to facilitate even more reactions. - cofty
This is not accurate, not all chemical compounds require catalysts, some exist as compounds in nature. Inorganic compounds are not entantiomeric therefore are never homochiral.
The result is exponential growth. - cofty
This is incomplete and misleading. Homochiral compounds that are synthesised in the lab using autocatlysis grow exponentially. There is no experiment and no results for this statement. In chemistry a result is a piece of data not a statement of fact.
If there is a very small difference in the balance of the right and left types of molecule in the early stage of the process then that difference also grows exponentially. When both types are competing for resources one will win the contest by orders of magnitude. - cofty
I have already told you on this thread that this statement is not true. But you conveniently ignored it. Your lack of chemistry leads you to make false chemical statements. This is intellectually lazy and dishonest. Just because you repeat it, doesn't make it true.
Soai demonstrated exactly this outcome in his lab. It was one the great experiments of science.-cofty
You don't understand anything about what Soai was researching and developing in 1995, or his motives for doing so. You're just twisting the facts to try and discredit me and what I have concluded based on my knowledge of chemistry.
It is not the burden of anybody to show that any process could NOT be guided by a supernatural source. That is a fool's errand. - cofty
Yes I agree it is, you have made a fool of yourself trying to do that in this thread.
It is the task of science to show that it is entirely possible for unguided naturalistic processes to accomplish each task. The puzzle of why the stuff of living things is all made of left-handed molecules is now no more of a mystery than the path of the planets. - Cofty
Who says what the task of science is? You are not twisting facts at all because you don't have bias, but just a position. All living this are not made of l-enantiomers, What about glucose and all d-sugars?
Cofty, no one can prove that Gods do or don't exist. I draw my conclusions on the scientific facts and data I have it's just my opinion though, and I don't think anyone should follow what I say. I am not trying to make any claims of an existence of a diety. You can carry on seeking the very best arguments against your position if it makes you happy. But your argument against my position is not the very best argument. cantleave, Angus' argument is much better than yours.
this site is such a great and valuable resource and simon is to be commended for running it for so long.
when i first came i was in such a bad state and really needed support and friendship.
so many posters commented on my threads and showed genuine care some are real life friends, some are facebook friends, some i talk to on the phone and some are forum friends.. i have just realised though that everyone online is not your friend.
Rebel, Actually yes you're right but my experience is that I got hurt online. But sure I need to be aware I could get hurt IRL too. Thanks
this site is such a great and valuable resource and simon is to be commended for running it for so long.
when i first came i was in such a bad state and really needed support and friendship.
so many posters commented on my threads and showed genuine care some are real life friends, some are facebook friends, some i talk to on the phone and some are forum friends.. i have just realised though that everyone online is not your friend.
Lol too late to remove or edit it now Angus. Hope I can make it to the party xx
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Great stuff xx
my son sent me a wonderful song a month ago on this thread.
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5704271907520512/my-wonderful-son.
it's amazing how a bad experience can trigger action.
Thanks Xant, we are both having a happy time with our kids xx
this site is such a great and valuable resource and simon is to be commended for running it for so long.
when i first came i was in such a bad state and really needed support and friendship.
so many posters commented on my threads and showed genuine care some are real life friends, some are facebook friends, some i talk to on the phone and some are forum friends.. i have just realised though that everyone online is not your friend.
Oh dear,
Someone has disliked my OP without commenting. If it was you, I am sorry you find my OP offensive or unpleasant. But I am warning new posters that they can get hurt online but also expressing that you can meet real friends on this site. Good friends who are supportive.
Would be nice if you could comment, but thanks for reading anyway
my son sent me a wonderful song a month ago on this thread.
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5704271907520512/my-wonderful-son.
it's amazing how a bad experience can trigger action.
and he heard your sons song and sent it to his daughter to try and mend bridges! What a lovely boy your son is.- Diog
That's so nice my young boy is bringing comfort to others. I really appreciate you telling me this. I am here to provide support and when I can and have it's nice to know what happens next.
my son sent me a wonderful song a month ago on this thread.
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5704271907520512/my-wonderful-son.
it's amazing how a bad experience can trigger action.
Macl, Jehu, Sail Away,
Yes these moments are so precious and etched in our memories. My daughter is taking him out for the day next week. They will be reunited after more than 2 1/2 years. They are both so excited.
this site is such a great and valuable resource and simon is to be commended for running it for so long.
when i first came i was in such a bad state and really needed support and friendship.
so many posters commented on my threads and showed genuine care some are real life friends, some are facebook friends, some i talk to on the phone and some are forum friends.. i have just realised though that everyone online is not your friend.
This site is such a great and valuable resource and Simon is to be commended for running it for so long. When I first came I was in such a bad state and really needed support and friendship. So many posters commented on my threads and showed genuine care some are real life friends, some are facebook friends, some I talk to on the phone and some are forum friends.
I have just realised though that everyone online is not your friend. There is a poster that was very supportive when I first started posting and very friendly. He even sent a PM to cantleave when he was concerned about my absence online. He was right to be concerned. I was hospitalised in poor health. https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/281280/am-back-on-jwn-out-hospital
But over the time he hasn't been supportive or friendly. I realise he is not my friend. I just realised this last night. I felt a kind of loss really, but I shouldn't because he was not a friend in the first place. I made excuses that he couldn't meet up with me or exchange details because of his health, but the way he treats me on this site is no way to treat a friend. He has called me lazy, dishonest and probably ignorant for having my opinions. He puts intellectual in front of those words sometimes. He has stopped posting on my threads about my personal life and my struggles. In fact it kind of makes me sick I considered him a friend. When posters have PM'd about his behaviour I always used to stick up for him and say he was caring and kind.
New posters who come here to help them exit, who are in a very vulnerable state need to be aware of the online dangers. Not only should they consider how a poster is treating them, but look at their history and see how they treat others.
It's fine to debate with people that aren't your friends. But knowing who is and isn't your friend is something that exJWs need to learn when they exit. Some have got terrible social skills and get hurt. I am hurt now. It took me three years to realise who really is a friend and who is not. Hopefully this will help newly awakened ones trying to start a new life and build a circle of friends.
Some of my friends include, cantleave and Nugget, cantleave you are like an online elder caring for the needy. Thank you for giving me your number without even consulting xxx. She didn't mind though. Thank you xxx for talking to me tirelessly through my journey. You have been such a great and wonderful friend. We have met in person only a couple of times. But you are both still my friends.
Laika, is also a friend I made here. We meet regularly throughout the years. He probably wont see this but I will text and and ask him to comment. He doesn't post here much. He has moved on and doing really well. StanLiveDeath / BigMac, just had a nice chat to him. He has always been very loving and caring.
Eric form JWstruggle, Oubliette, Searcher, Cappytan have been good friends who I have never met in person, but have swapped other details to keep in touch. These don't seem to be posting here much. Lloyd Evans (Cedars) is also my friend, we have met and chatted on the phone and talk on Facebook. K99 is my online buddy too and DJS who has just commented on another thread, there are many others who are online forum friends too. Sorry if I haven't mentioned you but if you want to swap details, or meet up let me know in a PM
Oppps almost forgot. My very best friend of all that I have made on this site, is Simon. He is a good friend and always keeps me on my toes. Thanks for being my friend Simon xx