now the majority of people nowadays do no go by the hope of old times.
now the reason for this is important and goes beyond mere words.
our culture sees ethics especially national or civil politics as the rules and standards by which we guide ourselves.
Lol Outlaw good one. Pushing views on people and saying their wrong isn't really appropriate. It the same all over Facebook with politics. I bet your FB page is great. Can I send you a friend request? PM me if you like.
DJS, lol are you getting a bit fed up?
disclaimer: my graduate degree is in business, not science so i'm writing as a layman in this field.
yes, i know that someone is going to say that evolution does not encompass this topic and should be sectioned off under abiogenesis.
i'm not trying to argue semantics here but it seems like a case of avoiding an uncomfortable subject.
Lol Cofty,
Did you stop reading my post after four words hahaha. I asked you a question, and you didn't reply. I realised I didn't put a question mark in though so I have edited it and it's a question, which is not rhetorical.
disclaimer: my graduate degree is in business, not science so i'm writing as a layman in this field.
yes, i know that someone is going to say that evolution does not encompass this topic and should be sectioned off under abiogenesis.
i'm not trying to argue semantics here but it seems like a case of avoiding an uncomfortable subject.
Shadow, great first post. I missed this 6 months ago. I don't understand the biochemistry as I have only studied chemistry. But I have read about the Miller-Urey experiment before. I have only read two pages so far, but I was stimulated to respond now. I will give a full response after I have read all the facts others have posted.
Actually there has been some amazing progress in the field of abiogenesis. The most interesting ideas IMO relate to alkaline vents under the ocean. I might write up the details when I get time. - cofty
Yeah you told me about that three years ago when I brought up abiogenesis. You obviously haven't had time yet. Looking forward to that thread and the one about Soai's reaction. But take all the time you need. Armageddon is not coming soon.
LUHE, cool about your biology degree, have you thought about teaching in Uni or high school?
By the way Cofty, I have never asked you before but do you have formal qualifications in science? Not that it means anything. I am just interested.
your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
No, you are mistaking non-uniformity with organization.
People think random distribution is clump-free, but it isn't - it only approaches that at huge population sizes (and is rarely perfectly spread). In fact, if things were perfectly distributed it would point to lack of randomization and some order.
People often point to clusters of cancer cases as proof there is some local cause and not just random chance, because they don't understand basic probability theory. - Simon
Oh wow Simon you're good at maths too, I thought non-uniformity was the same as random. And uniformity was the same as organised. I have to admit my understanding of probability is the coin toss experiment you do at school. Something I am interested in though I will look into it.
Kate......No offence, you could not have done any credible chemistry education and not know that. - Snare
I went to LJMU, and we were told the New Scientist was the journal to subscribe to. Angus told me the Nature Journal is much better. I am not offended Snare, tell it to me straight lol. I know you mean well.
You really should retract everything you have said so as to not unfairly confuse people looking for sincere answers. - Snare
You're absolutely right. I did retract what I said about it not being credible a couple of pages ago.
hi simon - the site seems to be stripping out links.. can work around it by pasting the url but it was neater to be able to embed the link in some text.
is it a temp glitch?.
Okay fair enough he can be a bit stubborn I've noticed that, so it wouldn't surprise me that he would make threats. Totally reasonable.
check the news.
there was a terrorist attack in brussells, couple of bombs detonated in the brussell airport and the metro.. 36 dead so far.. i send my sincerest condolences to the people of belgium.. the motive seems to be revenge for the capture of the last surviving member of the paris terrorist attacks..
a couple of days ago some parents withdrew their kids from the trip and told everyone to think seriously about not going as it is far too dangerous at the moment...we were joshing each other for being neurotic parents..we' re not joshing anymore. - Diog
That's terrible Diog. The terrorists are terrorising people to cancel travel plans. My parents had booked to go to NY in Dec 2001, and I remember pleading with them not to go. They refused to be terrorised, they said they had paid and were going. I was livid, because I was pregnant and gave birth on 20th Dec and wanted my parents to meet my new born son.
I really know how you feel. Obviously they came back safe. But they were telling me I was irrational. Doig you posted this four months ago and I missed it. I will send you a PM with the link in case you're offline for a while.
Kick50r, they cancelled the trip after the attack not before.
somebody in the uk has started a theocratic card business.looks like there is good money in jw businesses.. https://www.bennettcards.co.uk/product-category/47/theocratic-greetings-cards/.
bangalore.
Don't you just love it that they have a card for every occasion except birthdays and holidays. Baptism come in a set for £10.95. They are expecting the speeding up as we are so close to the end. Individual cards cost £2.99.
Soon they'll have mother, father, daughter, son etc for some of the occasions too. they don't even state how many is in a set. Could be 2.
What a way to take advantage of innocent cult victims. Bet the company is run by Elders and pioneers and recruit JWs and pay them a shit wage.
hi simon - the site seems to be stripping out links.. can work around it by pasting the url but it was neater to be able to embed the link in some text.
is it a temp glitch?.
I blocked some domains that came up with errors to prevent it wasting time trying to follow the links / images. It must have been a previously defunct domain at some point but since resurrected - Simon
I read your intentions for blocking links. Your intentions are reasonable. I don't understand what...... "domains that came up with errors" means. But I know you did it because it wasn't working properly. That's all I meant.
http://jwsurvey.org/
Why doesn't this link work? It works on my computer. There seem to be no domain errors, whatever that means. the reverse works. A link to this site from http://jwsurvey.org/. Sorry to be belligerent, but I don't understand computer stuff like you and I am not insinuating anything
your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
oops I made a mistake about the 20p there is no puzzle here.
Toss a 20p 100 times autocatalysis never occurs you get 50 heads and 50 tails (never imbalance even at the point of formation)
Too late to edit my post. But I will summarise in a few days.
your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.
k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.
in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.
K99,
I am finding your link really interesting and it's more up to date than Soai's reaction. This is an excerpt
Furthermore, such organoautocatalytic reactions should involve merely linear autocatalysis (unlike to Soai's example) in the light of lacking coordination sites at a metal allowing to form multiple catalytic aggregates. Linear autocatalysis alone, though, cannot result in the observed asymmetric amplification
To put in simple terms
50p yield different results that are not asymmetric amplification. I don't how to assign the 50p and I don't know the results. I haven't finished the paper but I will do some research to fill in my gaps of knowledge. I might even find out that they are talking about the 20p, but I doubt it.
Also noteworthy is the fact there are more chemicals than coins. I have only two left, or three if you count 1p which I didn't start with. So really this also shows that I didn't randomly choose coins, I am intellectually dishonest for saying it was random. Seriously though it just highlights that many random things have organisation. Even a coin toss which usually results in 50/50. But I can see why this would be a reason why a coin toss is not a suitable way to simplify. But it was the best if you only use four chemicals.
