Posts by KateWild

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Is God evil, just because he fails to prevent suffering?

by defender of truth in

a poster on another thread made the following comment, that really made me think.. it is about god: .

"imo i would say [god is] not evil but just indifferent.

apathy allows it.

KateWild

Like many on this thread have already said it depends how we view God. Some atheists have expressed that if God were supposed to be omnipitent and benevolent, then his indifference is evil. But atheists in general don't even believe in God, so why philosophise about the type of God?

Personally I view God as a creator and just that. I don't see him as omnipitent or benevolent, so his indifference is no surprise to me. I credit him for a lot of beauty and pleasure in the world, but do not credit him for natural disasters or the evil of others, I am also loathed to blame Satan for all bad things. That was my JW line, and I don't like that excuse, it's just not satisfying.

I just don't think God has control over these things, or cares enough to make a difference. The fact that I believe he is there, has no bearing on my thoughts on suffering in this world. I think it's all seperate.

Kate xx

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Atheists and JWs are on the same footing!

by exWTslave in

atheists believe that god should stop the large-scale injustice on earth; if he does'nt, then he does not exist.

jws believe that god will intervene sometime in the last days!.

interestingly, both throw themselves on their own expectation of soemthing god should or will do, yet in fact something god does not have to do.

KateWild

Hi kate ,, woukd you not agree that indifference by a theistic god of whom cofty is referring ( the one who is deemed as loving and concerned for his creations )is entireky different from animals or so called imperfect humans.- galaxie

I am afraid I don't agree. Indifference by anyone is not the same as purposeful harm. There is a lot of evil in this world, greed, selfishness and gaining pleasure form other's misery. None of this can be compared with simply being indifferent. Many are so wrapped up with their own little world they have no comprehension of the world around them, God is the same in my eyes, wrapped up in his world of creation to even be bothered about the ant that gets trodden on by the human.

It's a natural disaster for the ant, but the human, like God is indifferent to such a small impact in his life.

Kate xx

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just what am I supposed to believe now??

by purrpurr in

while i'm glad i found this site, it has also crumbled to bits everything i've believed in my whole life.

i feel like the certainty, magic and wonder has gone out of my life.

this has left a huge hole in my soul.

KateWild

purr purr,

You can believe what ever you wish to believe, there are many Athiest vs God threads on this site and many more no doubt to come. I read a lot of them until I came to the conclusion about what I believe. I believe in a God who is a creator, but I don't believe he rewards or punishes humans. Some people stay undecided and reamain happy.

Doing lots of research helps one establish their beliefs.

Kate xx

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Atheists and JWs are on the same footing!

by exWTslave in

atheists believe that god should stop the large-scale injustice on earth; if he does'nt, then he does not exist.

jws believe that god will intervene sometime in the last days!.

interestingly, both throw themselves on their own expectation of soemthing god should or will do, yet in fact something god does not have to do.

KateWild

In the face of human suffering that would make him evil.-cofty

That is an interesting perspective cofty, where do you draw the line at accountability? Lets take ants for example, they work hard live in a colony but they are indifferent to other ants suffering each ant is programmed to do it's job and nothing else.

Then the hampster, it's indifferent to the plight of the budgie being eaten by the cat.

Babies and children are often indifferent to one anothers suffering, even many human's are not interested in anyone beyond their own nose. Are all these insects, animals, humans classed as evil?

IMO I would say not evil but just indifferent. For me evilness is more classified with intentional acts to harm deliberately out of vengence, anger, malice and even pleasure. To me that is what evil stands for. Indifference is something comepletly different in my view.

Kate xx

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Atheists and JWs are on the same footing!

by exWTslave in

atheists believe that god should stop the large-scale injustice on earth; if he does'nt, then he does not exist.

jws believe that god will intervene sometime in the last days!.

interestingly, both throw themselves on their own expectation of soemthing god should or will do, yet in fact something god does not have to do.

KateWild

If you're not sure why people ask questions, there are classes on basic conversation methods you can take. If you can't explain what it means, you clearly don't understand it and shouldn't have brought it up.-Viv

There you go with your intellectual intimidation technique again. Thank you for clarifying why you ask questions. I am sure now it's to intimidate people. I asked you why you were asking a particular question, to be polite to you, but I can read between the lines. I am going to ignore futher posts from you on this thread as they are off topic and designed to be deliberately abusive. There is no conversaton with you Viv. Absolutely none.

Kate xx

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Is their a new holocaust in the making ? Are jews being made the scapegoats again ?

by smiddy in

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friends

mass immigration in the world "seems" to have led to a rise in anti -semitism in the west.

france now has more than six million muslims.. germany now has four million muslims.

the netherlands has almost one million muslims .

KateWild

The Political and religious leaders are the driving force of the conflict. There is no new Holocuast in the making, but there are a lot of ignorant people in the world with silly generalistic views of both Jews and Muslims. We are all individuals, so those who generalise have a problem, but happily they don't have the power to organise a whole new Holocuast. It will never happen again Smiddy.

Kate xx

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Robin Williams passes

by designs in

don't know quite what to say.

just stunned at the news.

comic genius and actor.. share your favorite robin williams moments.. .

KateWild

I am gutted, great actor and comedian. Truly unique was Robin Williams. Mork and Mindy was my first recollections of him, Dead poets society was completely different and of course Goodmorning Vietnam. Kate xx

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Atheists and JWs are on the same footing!

by exWTslave in

atheists believe that god should stop the large-scale injustice on earth; if he does'nt, then he does not exist.

jws believe that god will intervene sometime in the last days!.

interestingly, both throw themselves on their own expectation of soemthing god should or will do, yet in fact something god does not have to do.

KateWild

MadGiant, Einstein also said he was not an Atheist. See this thread

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/266157/1/What-were-Albert-Einstiens-Religious-Beliefs#.U-jsG_ldW8A

Kate xx

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Atheists and JWs are on the same footing!

by exWTslave in

atheists believe that god should stop the large-scale injustice on earth; if he does'nt, then he does not exist.

jws believe that god will intervene sometime in the last days!.

interestingly, both throw themselves on their own expectation of soemthing god should or will do, yet in fact something god does not have to do.

KateWild

I don't understand - what is the point of prayer then?-Sir82

I don't believe God listen's to prayers or answers them, I think prayer is talking to yourself. Meditating and thinking things through. It helps me gather my own thoughts, I suppose it's a habit too. Is there a purpose for me? No I don't think so. But I find myself praying now and again, but less than I used to.

Kate xx

Viv - I am not entirely sure why you are asking me questions. Is it possible you're motives are to be deliberately facetious? Do tell why are you asking me off topic questions?-Kate xx

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Atheists and JWs are on the same footing!

by exWTslave in

atheists believe that god should stop the large-scale injustice on earth; if he does'nt, then he does not exist.

jws believe that god will intervene sometime in the last days!.

interestingly, both throw themselves on their own expectation of soemthing god should or will do, yet in fact something god does not have to do.

KateWild

If your god is evil, why is there so much good in the world?

If your god is good why the suffering?-cofty

I did not say God was evil or good, IMO God is indifferent, he cares about no one or nothing and just creates complex things in nature, which nuture our desire to explore creation and evolution and nuture our desire to create and invent also. There is much pleasure and beauty in all this gaining of knowledge. Many are passionate about discovery and are driven by their sense of intrigue.

Kate you are an atheist - you just haven't realised it yet.-cofty

I have to admit I have been less vocal with God of late and not really praying that much, I did pray this morning about how isolated I felt, then my daughter replied to my text. I put it down to circumstances, not some magical being answering my prayers. If I had not texted there would have been no dialogue. I was thinking through my situation in my head. But listen cofty, young man I am no atheist niether was Einstein, my beliefs are very similar to his and Spinosa's God. I am unique though with a unique set of beliefs that make me happy.

I believe in God the Creator.

Kate xx