Are You A Thinker And A Lurker?

by konceptual99 in

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if you are a lurker then you are probably a thinker.

you will already be wondering about a number of aspects of jw doctrine and how they stack up against reason, logic and modern scientific evidence.

if so, then i appeal to you to meditate and reason on one implication arising from the latest news that the next publication will be a simplified version of an already simplified book.

KateWild

I am for the moment trapped in but I am so glad that I have worked things out and am now longer torn in the quandary of cognitive dissonance, trying to square the circle over and over again. I feel mentally free and was only able to start to feel that way once I stopped thinking that the circle could be squared and that I HAD to do so.-K99

Well that's good progress. I am glad to hear it. CD can lead to all manner of mental problems and failure to function normally in daily living.

I am sure your post will help some, especially those in similar circumstances. I was very frustrated when I was in your position that's probably why I thought I could sense it in you.

Thanks for the update take care

Kate xx

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

KateWild

It's either unguided bucket chemistry or it's magic.
Soia showed it is the former - cofty

Sorry I am not convinced, it's still open for discussion, no where in the seven page paper did Soai say it was unguided

Nobody can or can't prove the existence of God, but we a free to believe as we wish without fear of being shunned by society, sadly some are shunned for their views by JWs.

Kate xx

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

KateWild

The L-enantiomer in nature is not a slight surplus it's a huge majority. This is called a homochiral mixture.- Kate

That is not what homochiral means.- Viv

Yes that is exactly what a homochiral mixture is.

homochiral

adj ho·mo·chi·ral\ˌhō-mō-ˈkī-rəl\

Medical Definition of HOMOCHIRAL

: consisting of only one enantiomer <only about 10% of synthetic chiral drugs are marketed inhomochiral…form—Stu Borman>

—ho·mo·chi·ral·i·ty \-kī-ˈral-ət-ē\ noun, plural ho·mo·chi·ral·i·ties

What do you think homochiral is?

You are quick to tell posters what you think is wrong about my chemistry but you don't actually correct me. This proves you don't know what you're talking about

Kate xx

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

KateWild

You constantly point to this quirk of living things to suggest the need for a designer. The evidence shows that unguided evolution accounts for it.-cofty

Yes I do, because its personal to me and I love Chemistry. As soon as chemistry proves otherwise I will change my views. I actually disagree and feel the evidence shows guided evolution.

I do however agree with you about other aspects of God. But I think a healthy balanced discussion is what we need on this board for all new comers for them to form their own views.

To be brutally honest I am probably in the camp of I don't know and I can't prove it, but leaning towards there is probably a creator. So I am not rigid in my views. But are you rigid in your views cofty?

Kate xx

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

KateWild

You think you know better and that the real answer is "magic". OK-cofty

LOL hahhaha Are you just baiting me young man???? I don't call it magic ok??

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

KateWild

Thank you cofty for the paper

I have read it before and don't grasp where your proof is. This is the conclusion

CONCLUSION Asymmetric autocatalysis with amplification of enantiomeric excess in the Soai reaction is an area under study and development. The kinetic studies of Blackmond and coworkers have provided insight into the mechanism of the Soai reaction. However, a complete mechanism for the Soai reaction is rate = k[3][3][5]active (3) rate = k[7][7][5]active (4) N N H O N N H O Zn(iPr)2 (iPr)2Zn 3 7 4 Scheme 3. Aldehyde-Zinc Complex and Blackmond's Revised Model 8 going to require a description of how the chiral information passes through the autocatalytic cycle. The full elucidation of the mechanism of the Soai reaction should pose a very interesting area of future research for organic chemists and allow extension and rational development of this very promising area.

After reading this this what I draw from it is that we have an understanding of why homochirality exists in nature. Why does it prove to you there is no God?

Kate xx

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

KateWild

How one type of enantiomers came to dominate life was succinctly resolved by Saoi.-cofty

Why do you use the term resolved? I would say he discovered what was already happening in nature. Why does this prove there is no God to you personally cofty.......I am interested genuinely?

Kate xx

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

KateWild

It's been proven time and time again that you've no idea what you're talking about.-Viv

What have I said that is incorrect chemistry, you the one who doesn't understand what I am talking about as you don't enter into a chemical conversation with me.

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

KateWild

Clearly state your position that you think is correct-Viv

I will repeat for you Viv.

Normally when talking in layman's terms we would describe enantionmers as being the same molecule but a mirror image just like a left and right hand. Using lego can slightly distract from the fact that they are in fact the same molecule.

They have all the same properties and when formed in the lab the left and right hand form a racemic mixture which is 50% of each enantiomer or stereo isomer. Soai did not show that in nature there is a racemic mixture. This is an incorrect statement you made cofty. Sorry.

Soai showed that an auto catalyst was involved in order for a majority of left handed molecules only were formed in nature. This is not like throwing heads five time in a row, it's like throwing heads a million times in a row. The L-enantiomer in nature is not a slight surplus it's a huge majority. This is called a homochiral mixture.

Cofty said all this means there is no magic involved. This statement is strawman and has no substance. Cofty said he can prove God does not exist. How has he proved proved this to me?

I am not saying it's magic, I am saying an auto catalyst is evidence of guidance.

Nobody has proven my chemistry is wrong. Where is the evidence Viv?

Kate xx

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Does Anyone Still Believe in God?

by LaurenM in

do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?

even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.

the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.

KateWild

It's been proved, just not to you because you've not bothered to learn enough to understand the evidence. The problem is not lack of proof presented to you, it's lack of effort to understand it on your part.-Viv

Actually it's you who has not bothered to learn enough about chemistry and homochirality in nature to understand the evidence. Nobody has shown me where I have made an error. I welcome anyone who understands chemistry to show me my mistake

Kate xx

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Medical Definition of HOMOCHIRAL