Posts by KateWild

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Fading 2.0

by pale.emperor in

the following examples are true.

witnessed by myself and many many other jw's of my age generation.. they're examples of a successful fade, and a failed fade and what we can learn from them.. the successful fade.

sister c - she gets baptized at 19yo.

KateWild

I think I was kind of a female brother M, but more my personal circumstances woke me up, and my daugher was sister C

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New Here ... Just woke up

by Sevan in

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hey all, .

this is my first post.

i haven't been out in service or to a meeting in over a month.. i realize now that i've been having serious questions for years and many articles and talks have greatly disturbed me over the years.

KateWild

I am still trying to process everything, all the lies, the disillusionment, the suffering, the wasted time and financial sacrifices I've made for this religion, the lost friendships and opportunities, just everything. It is a whirlwind of emotion, but I know I'll get to a peaceful place eventually. - Sevan

You have only left WT weeks ago. This is to be expected. But we are her to support you if you need. Your last post was 9 days ago, I hope you have been reading still, but you could be busy working too.

You're right sometime this place can be heated and hostile. I believe that evolution is a guided process, and I believe in a Creator, I am just as guilty of being aggressive and heated as atheists. As my recent thread shows. After a month of leaving I didn't know what to believe and I was still very fragile and vulnerable.

Sometimes just reading the threads can be better than discussing them. But also they might not be good to read just yet as you have just very recently woken up. They can be heated and some relevant points get lost.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5727195389493248/seeking-support-where-can-christian-go?page=4&size=20

K99 your link didn't work so I have posted it too I hope mine works.

I am nearly finished. But I am sure it will still be an anti climax for you. But lets see. I know it's taken 14 pages (on my device) But I have actually enjoyed doing all the chemistry. I am having fun. I am off today so it will about another hour or two, but I need a lunch break too, and the odd post on other threads lol.

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I have proof Noah built the Ark just like God told him to

by KateWild in

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KateWild

Perry,

This is supposed to be a joke. I obviously posted it in the wrong subject, should have been social humour. I am not going to debate with you. One, because you ignore me when I do, and two I am not saying this picture is evidence that Noah did not build the ark.

I have no proof that Noah did not build the Ark. But I am sure cofty thinks he has, so search all his topics to see if he has provided this proof on the forum.

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Fading 2.0

by pale.emperor in

the following examples are true.

witnessed by myself and many many other jw's of my age generation.. they're examples of a successful fade, and a failed fade and what we can learn from them.. the successful fade.

sister c - she gets baptized at 19yo.

KateWild

PE,

I think this is really good advice. In reality it's not as black and white as this because everyone's circumstances are different. For our family it was a combination of both, and in addition we had close family bonds with Jewish family that did not shun us just because we joined a cult.

Our story in brief, it's all over the internet anyway. Family of four. Domestic violence. Reported to elders. Elders told victims not to go to the police. Elder denied this two weeks later. Wife and children still exposing the DV to some trusted ones in the cong. Husband living outside family home. Only a few members of cong knew. Children did not want father back home. No options for scriptural divorce. Custody battle. Wife and children still exposing DV.

Wife df'd for exposing DV, son removed from being a publisher for exposing DV. Both accused of reviling or some such. Daughter baptised, ran away from city to Jewish family. Still attending meetings. Daughter confused because she is told she can't have contact with Df'd mum. Daughter fades. Wife and kids wake up.

My daughter still has contact with JWs. But she it totally awake now. She has a new circle of friends. she doesn't like lying to her JW friends about her disbelief. She isn't really interested in having close bonds with JWs, They have nothing in common. She was invited to a wedding after she left but the KH only. Only very few shun her, some of her friends have left and woken up too.

My son stopped all association with his friends, he was shunned a little for being removed, wasn't allowed to preach and stopped attending meetings when he woke up. He socialises with his school friends.

PE your advice is really good though. If I could go back I probably wouldn't have tried to expose the DV. I would have faked it for a while until I built a circle of friends, and then left WT. If I did it that way I probably wouldn't have lost custody of my son, or got Df'd.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

Thanks Eden for explaining in detail why Perry's quotes are not credible. This is probably why my credulity was unbalanced yesterday, and I needed something very specific. People like Perry cause problems for people looking for credible information.

Can someone start a thread please. Perhaps you Eden if you are available. Discussing the best ways to check the credibility of we have read or heard. I would really like a thread like that.

Cofty, still working on the challenge nearly complete.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

Perry,

Ok I couldn't resist, I took a peak. You have proved something on this thread though. Not all University researchers are credible. That's why they are peer reviewed. If you're going to post a quote with extreme views you need to provide the peer reviewed paper it came from. Like cofty did.

Plus Soai views are not extreme, he said he solved the puzzle not "The idea of creation rests on pure belief" No credible peer reviewed paper would say that in my opinion, but if anyone can find one great.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

Sam......
Nature is a British interdisciplinary scientific journal, first published on 4 November 1869.[1] It was ranked the world's most cited scientific journal by the Science Edition of the 2010 Journal Citation Reports, is ascribed animpact factor of approximately 38.1, and is widely regarded as one of the few remaining academic journals that publishes original research across a wide range of scientific fields.[2]
Yes it's a credible source - cantleave

Angus,

Fair enough you said on the phone something to the effect of my credulity is unbalanced. The need for me to see a quote on the 1995 paper itself is also because I want to read the paper again. But obviously it's not available for free anymore and no one seem's to be able to get it without spending £40.

I do feel it's credible now, because you told me it is and I trust and respect you and I find you credible. I also checked the homepage of the journal this morning http://www.nature.com/nature/index.html. Which it didn't cross my mind to do yesterday, and I found some interesting credible looking articles and I even went to the job search. Sadly they don't advertise any type of analytical jobs or careers, mainly research related careers at universities. I don't have the experience or PhD qualifications to apply for any of them, they even have 2 posts at Liverpool university in the department I used to work in as a chemical analyst. It's quite annoying really because the researchers used to employ analysts to do their testing but with cutting costs they have to do the chemical analysis themselves now. http://www.nature.com/naturejobs/science/jobs?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=Chemistry+research&where=Liverpool&commit=Find+Jobs

So cofty I apologise for not checking the credibility thoroughly before righting it off as not credible.

Viv, yes you're right I have no formal organic chemistry, inorganic chemistry, physical chemistry or industrial qualifications. I am lying well done for catching me out.

Outlaw cool. But evolution and belief in God are not mutually exclusive.

Perry, I have you on my ignore setting. I didn't read your post. Every time I have asked you a question or sent you a PM you have ignored me. So there is no conversation. If you want me to read your post send me a PM.

Cofty I am posting my response to your challenge, Soai saying he solved the puzzle is not relevant to the challenge you assigned me.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v378/n6559/abs/378767a0.html

I also find is suspicious that this link doesn't work, but all my links referenced from this page work. I am not suggesting anything by it because I don't understand how links work or how Simon does stuff related to links. Simon, could you shed some light?

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

KateWild

Cofty and K99 Thanks for the link. I read it and checked some references and this is what I found.......

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v378/n6559/abs/378767a0.html

I don’t find this source credible. The website is called nature publishing group. Is this group run by chemists or other people who don’t have scientific credentials?

Cofty, I asked you to go back and reread the paper and quote directly from the paper where he stated he solved the puzzle but you didn’t do that. Why not?

So I went to every cited Soai reference and this is what I found

Abstract

Optically active 1-(3-pyridyl)alkanols, chiral self-catalysts, produced themselves of the same configuration in the enantioselective addition of dialkylzinc reagents to pyridine-3-carbaldehyde.

http://pubs.rsc.org/en/Content/ArticleLanding/1990/C3/c39900000982#!divAbstract

The PDF was almost £40 so I didn’t read it.

Abstract

Chiral diols, bis[2-(1-hydroxyalkyl)phenyl]ethers, with very high e.e.'s are synthesized by catalytic enantioselective alkylation of bis(2-formylphenyl)ether. Zinc alkoxides of chiral diols were found to work as asymmetric autocatalysts in the reaction between bis(2-formylphenyl)ether and dialkylzincs.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S095741660086228X

PDF almost £40

Abstract

Isopropylzinc alkoxide of 1-ferrocenyl-2-methylpropan-1-ol was found to be a catalytic chirally self-replicating molecule which produces itself with the same configuration from ferrocenyl aldehyde and diisopropylzinc with 35–39% e.e. in good yields.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/095741669500047S

Note: In lieu of an abstract, this is the article's first page.

The first page is just a list of contents

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/cr00013a004

So I went to download the PDF and it stated that I do not have the credentials

Note: In lieu of an abstract, this is the article's first page.

This first page was an interesting read, nowhere did Soai state it was a puzzle or a mystery. It was very interesting though that he used the term design when describing a molecule. I am not reading anything into it as I feel the whole page is impartial. Just think it’s interesting.

“On the other hand from the standpoint of the design of chiral catalyst a chiral alcohol with a sterically bulky secondary substituent isopropyl shows higher asymmetric induction……..”

When you read the whole page in context, I would be interested to know if you do, it’s clear he is not suggesting there is a designer for the molecule, he is not talking about God or Atheism. He is talking about specific research and it’s application. So I sincerely don’t want to mislead any believers into thinking Soai believes in God or a creator.

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00104a057

Japanese religions are very interesting . I got a little distracted and had a read. Sorry to go off topic.

http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e629.html

Bact to topic. All of these are abstracts from different papers doing different research to develop different products. I can’t find anything where Soai states the following

THE homochirality of natural amino acids and sugars remains a puzzle for theories of the chemical origin of life1–18. In 1953 Frank7 proposed a reaction scheme by which a combination of autocatalysis and inhibition in a system of replicating chiral molecules can allow small random fluctuations in an initially racemic mixture to tip the balance to yield almost exclusively one enantiomer. Here we show experimentally that autocatalysis in a chemical reaction can indeed enhance a small initial enantiomeric excess of a chiral molecule. When a 5-pyrimidyl alkanol with a small (2%) enantiomeric excess is treated with diisopropylzinc and pyrimidine-5-car-boxaldehyde, it undergoes an autocatalytic reaction to generate more of the alkanol. Because the reaction involves a chiral catalyst generated from the initial alkanol, and because the catalytic step is enantioselective, the enantiomeric excess of the product is enhanced. This process provides a mechanism by which a small initial imbalance in chirality can become overwhelming.

That’s what the website states there is no proof Soai wrote it in any of his research yet. I have tried to find the links Cofty sent me with the actual paper on JWN but neither of us started the thread, so I am having problems finding that specific paper. I also tried to google it and I mustn’t be very good at finding stuff because I can’t find this 1995 paper that I have read multiple times.

What is CAS reference linking? Cofty is it Your way of seeking the best possible argument against your position, or confirming your position / bias? Semantics.

Cofty, I am going to respond to your challenge. I have a response that’s not complete in writing. But you have not responded to my challenge properly have you?

I asked you to go back and reread the paper and quote directly from the paper where he stated he solved the puzzle or mystery but you didn’t actually do that did you?

So I am requesting respectfully that you do this for me please. I am happy for you to prove me wrong. I respect Soai more than Dawkins, so knowing what respected chemists believe may influence my thinking and I could change my opinions with new facts I learn.