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  Somebody please tell me, funeral for a disfellowshipped child

  by freein89 in

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  i looked at our little local paper today and saw a young man had died.

  he was the 20 year old son of jw's that used to be very dear friends.

  i noticed that the funeral is to be held at the local funeral home and not at the kingdom hall.

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  Nina: What a beautiful tribute you orchestrated for your dad.
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  Iceman Mummy Was Meat Eater Pre Flood

  by willyloman in

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  according to wt chronology, the flood of noah happened about 2600 bce, after which man was allowed for the first time to hunt animals for food and eat meat.

  according to the news, the "iceman" mummy discovered frozen, well preserved and the object of much scientific study, is 5,000 years old.

  this dates his existence to about 3000 bce, well before the flood.. below is today's msnbc news report on what they found in his stomach, and it raises an obvious question: did man eat meat prior to the flood?

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  According to WT chronology, the flood of Noah happened about 2600 BCE, after which man was allowed for the first time to hunt animals for food and eat meat.

  According to the news, the "iceman" mummy discovered frozen, well preserved and the object of much scientific study, is 5,000 years old. This dates his existence to about 3000 BCE, well before the flood.

  Below is today's MSNBC news report on what they found in his stomach, and it raises an obvious question: Did man eat meat prior to the flood? Note the last sentence in the excerpt:

  Otzi, the oldest mummy ever unearthed, was found in the Italian Alps in 1991. Scientists were thrilled to find he had remained frozen, and almost perfectly preserved, for thousands of years.
  He wore clothing made from leather and grasses and carried a copper axe, a bow and arrows. Later, an arrowhead was found in his left shoulder, suggesting Otzi did not simply freeze to death while climbing the high mountains, but was shot by a fellow hunter.
  After studying the corpse’s intestines, Italian researcher Franco Rollo concluded last year that the iceman’s final meals consisted of venison and ibex meat.
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  contribution boxes, speakers with x yrs of service and emotional inducement

  by truthseeker in

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  at the district convention i attended, i had an excellent view of the stage.

  especially those contribution boxes.

  every so often, paticularly near the end of the morning and afternoon sessions, those sisters were doing the contribution box walk.

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  Jehovah's witnesses are a performance-based organization/religion.

  Exactly right, Blondie. In contrast with Jesus Christ who, the way the bible reads, did away with religion based on performance and tried to substitute one based on simple faith and a one on one relationship with God.
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  contribution boxes, speakers with x yrs of service and emotional inducement

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  at the district convention i attended, i had an excellent view of the stage.

  especially those contribution boxes.

  every so often, paticularly near the end of the morning and afternoon sessions, those sisters were doing the contribution box walk.

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  Brother so an so will give the talk on xxx and has been in Bethel service for 19 years.... Why do we need to know this?

  To create the illusion that talk assignments are "earned" rather than the result of close ties, family relationships, or other "old boys club" activity... which in fact it often is.
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  Last Meeting

  by Nosferatu in

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  for those who have been out for a while, was there anything special about the very last meeting you attended (excluding memorials)?

  was there anything incredibly memorable about it?

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  Nominee, best writing on JWD this year (so far):

  Now in the trunk of the old Plymouth, the briefcase that contained all the books and magazines and materials that we needed for the meetings still resides, and has been pretty much undisturbed for the last 16 years. It has the study Watchtowers for a few weeks, the Tuesday study books, Kingdom Ministries for a couple of months, songbooks for the family, green Bibles, field service materials, some small toys and Golden Books that we'd sneak into the Hall for our sons who were still babies at the time. Just everything that a witness needs to survive the meetings. Over the years, I've opened that briefcase up maybe 3 times when I've been in a reminiscing mood, and I can't believe that I did all that. But even more than that, it makes me feel very sad. I was raised in the "truth", as was my wife, and our whole life up to that point is in that briefcase, and I get an overwhelming feeling of sadness whenever I open it.

  This is reminiscent of a terrific book by Tim O'Brien, "The Things They Carried."
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  How more vague can the society get at the assemblies?

  by be wise in

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  his is a quote from the give god glory district convention showing how they avoid their own questions and provide the usual vague answers that no jw understands.

  we don't want to be personally refuting these untruths unless jehovah's organisation assigned us to do that, publicly.

  now, are we talking people in our ministry or elsewhere about points about what they have heard, read?

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  How does this go on? When does someone jump up at a meeting ... and yell "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!, this is stupid!" Like watching a magician float a lady in mid air, you wonder what holds it all up..

  I guess to understand that you'd have to be "in the truth" for 30 years and be entering into your 50's or 60's and not have cultivated a single friendship with any non-witness for decades. I asked one sister why she doesn't just walk, and she said, "I need friends. I need social interaction."

  In her mind, it was just too daunting a task to go out and make friends "in the world" at this late date. She reasoned that she'd have to join another church or some volunteer organization and get actively involved for some time before she developed new friends to replace the old ones.
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  Qualifications of Elders

  by iiz2cool in

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  in my experience with elders in the past i was counseled for many things, most trivial and stupid, but some were serious issues.

  one thing i noticed was that the elders always seemed to approach issues with some preconceived ideas, or they would try to read between the lines rather than actually listen to what i was saying.

  others i know have had similar experiences.

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  It would be a great surprise -- if not a miracle-- if one were to hear from one of these ...``whoa.. I'm in over my head here; let me refer you to a specialist or point you in the direction of someone who can really help you" to any hapless dub who confides a sensitive issue to him.

  I actually did this several times and, as Blondie points out, advising someone to seek counseling almost always created problems for the would-be advisor. Other elders disagreed with me, often quite vocally. Eventually I learned to wait for an opportune time and offer the counsel privately. Unfortunately, very few of them accepted it! The mindset is just so ingrained....

  One example: a woman with very serious emotional problems affecting her marriage, family life and personal health and happiness, asked me what she could do. I advised professional counseling immediately. She was surprised but appreciative; it made sense to her and just the fact that I held out hope that she could get well seems to lift her spirits.

  I saw her a few days later and she was happy and said she really appreciated the advice and was going to make an appointment with someone. But right after that she decided or was advised to run my suggestion past another elder. He, of course, set her straight and provided her with photocopies of a WT magazine article and told her to follow the counsel in those pages and everything would be fine. He strongly counseled her to avoid "worldly" psychologists, telling her they'd just weaken her faith. That was many months ago. She still has the same serious emotional problems today and won't seek professional help because she's been told by the elder that she just wasn't strong enough spiritually to ward off her illness, and that if she'd just do more.... Well, you know how it goes.
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  Do Not Call List Does the Job

  by willyloman in

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  do not call list brings telemarketers to their knees

  from msnbc news

  in the past three months, the hallways at groesbeck-based tel-a-sell marketing inc. have become a lot less crowded.

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  Yeah, but if JW's had a national Do Not Call list and an 800 number and they had this same response, Witnesses would have a lot less to do too. But how happy would the WTS would be about it?
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  Do Not Call List Does the Job

  by willyloman in

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  do not call list brings telemarketers to their knees

  from msnbc news

  in the past three months, the hallways at groesbeck-based tel-a-sell marketing inc. have become a lot less crowded.

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  This just in:

  Do Not Call List Brings Telemarketers to Their Knees

  From MSNBC News

  In the past three months, the hallways at Groesbeck-based Tel-A-Sell Marketing Inc. have become a lot less crowded. CEO Edd O’Connor has been forced to trim his telemarketing staff from 72 to 18. “I was running a full house earlier this year,” said O’Connor, who also serves as president of the American Teleservices Association’s Great Lakes Chapter...

  One of the big reasons for the cuts: the chilling effects of the National Do Not Call Registry and other similar efforts in statehouses across the country.
  A month into the sign-ups for the federal Do Not Call list, nearly 30 million phone numbers across the have been registered for the list. That number could double by the time the list takes effect on Oct. 1.

  Just imagine...
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  Watchtower Society joins Political Lobby !

  by Amazing in

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  jehovah's witnesses in russia are working with scientology, the unification church, mormons and others in a joint political effort to lobby the russian duma (similar to the us congress) for certain issues.

  the name of this joint political lobby in russua is:

  public committee for the defense of freedom of conscience.

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  Key point, indeed:

  Wh en information is withheld a person cannot make a truly informed choice. So, in order to preserve our precious, newly won freedoms, we must try to provide people with all the information about a given group. We must convey to the public the facts that the cults hide about them selves