Badmutha: welcome to the board, and a friendly warning: There are more people doing "deep research" here than at the average KH, so you'll have to be on solid ground at all times... or be eaten alive!
willyloman
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Memorial observance It isnt about Jesus at all!
by 1badmutha inwe all know that jesus is a pretty much-overlooked figure by the wbts.
they refuse to celebrate his birth for a number of convoluted reasons, which i refuse to argue.
but, it is curious that they celebrate the death of christ.
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willyloman
All these things combine to produce the deadness of spirit and stagnation so evident in Watchtower doings. Nothing will change unless some major outside event forces it, or "King Saul" dies.
Right you are, Alan. Case(s) in point:
Last year at a "special supplementary" session to the annual meeting, Jarascz opened with, "There's been a lot of speculation about this meeting, brothers." This was followed by a collective noise that was someplace between a gasp and a loud sigh, with some laughter thrown in. There was a palpable air of expectation, which went completely unfilled when he followed with: "It's not wise to second guess Mother." That let the air out of everyone's tires and the next several hours were devoted to a sales pitch for Society tours to Italy and Russia. And then it was over, everyone repaired to the bar across the street, many beers were consumed by the hundreds of elders and their obviously dispirited wives (who had been under the mistaken impression that morning that they were in for something really special).
During roughly the same time period, Jarascz presided over one of those two day elders "schools," the one in which the Society showed that it had heard the cries of the people for relief and announced the implementation of the Book Study OVERSEER arrangement, designed obviously to do two things: give the elders more work to do, and hold the publisher's beautifully shod feet closer to the fire. At the end of the session, in rambling concluding remarks, Jarascz said something that absolutely astonished some of us. Disparaging what he saw as a weakness among elders for "constant entertainment" on weekends, he strongly suggested we didn't need to go out or have social gatherings "every" weekend, and suggested we use that time more wisely. His recommendation? "Go back and read all the society's publications, back to 1919, get to know your organization's history." That, he said, is what he did to while away the hours.
I'm thinking, if many of these elders took that advice, the ones with thinking ability would be sorely perplexed and knocked right out of the truth. But perhaps the old fart realizes nobody will take his suggestion seriously. Nevertheless, he is totally out of touch, or he's devious, or both.
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The New System of Things - How much longer?
by Nosferatu inthis post isn't about "how much longer until the new system of things" arrives.
i'm wondering how much longer people will buy this load of crap?
the society has been telling the r&f that armageddon is right around the corner for 124 years now, and they're still using this method.
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willyloman
Uh, guys, don't chase Joker away, otherwise we're just talking to ourselves, you know? He's interesting counterpoint. Many of us were where he is, and not so long ago.
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Faith Shifting/Switching--JWs at the Top
by blondie inhttp://www.christianitytoday.com/le/2003/003/19.7.html
the following article is from leadership magazine, and is located at:.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/le/2003/003/19.7.html .
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willyloman
No matter how you slice and dice it, these numbers are not the "good news" JWs wish to be known for. The survey confirms what most of us long-time jaydubs already know: a lot of people just disappear.
I heard a talk a while back by an elder who said he had found an old congregation phone list in the back of a bottom desk drawer. It was several years old. In going over it, he was amazed how few of the names were still in attendance. A number had moved. Some had visibly left the truth. Quite a few had just disappeared from view and hadn't been seen or heard from since. The list included family names with the names of the children in parentheses, and he remarked that many of these children were "no longer among us." The talk went on to lament these passings and to warn parents not to take their own or their children's faith for granted, yadda, yadda, but I was struck by the figures he presented. I'm sure you could do this in almost any congo, if you found a 5-10 year old phone list.
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JW Father Kills Self and 12-year-old Son
by fjtoth inthe following story appears this morning in the south florida sun-sentinel at:.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-cmurdsui26aug26,1,2987431.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines.
fort lauderdale police suspect father killed son, then self in home shooting.
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willyloman
The article asked why did this happens. I'll tell you why. It's because people are suffering from depression and their not getting treated for it.
...and WHY are they not treated for it? In this particular case, the answer is obvious: because JWs are stigmatized if they seek professional counseling for their problems, rather than relying on the personal opinions of the elders, which are loosely (or even tightly) based on church magazine articles written at a 7th grade level and ideologically slanted.
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Newbie Introduction-or-How to De-Program Yourself in 6,456,129 Easy Steps
by 2escaped lifers inmy wife and i are new to this forum, and really, we're now new to life as well.
or rather, life is new to us, normal life that is.
i don't want to turn this into a novel (at least, not yet).
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willyloman
Seven: How much if you just send me the do-it-yourself-lobotomy kit?
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What would be a good age to die?
by Joker10 in.
wat do you think is a 'good' age to die?
if i'm physically active and strong, i say 74.
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willyloman
Believe me, Tink, when you get to be in your 50s, you will rethink your position on this.
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The Gospel
by UnDisfellowshipped inthe gospel of salvation -- the good news of jesus christ:
plain and simple, according to the holy scriptures
if you have any questions or comments, please e-mail me at [email protected].
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willyloman
Oooo, this is one scary thread! All you need is the condensed version (thanks to seven006):
Moral of the bible: If a snake walks up to you and starts talking, run like hell.
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Newbie Introduction-or-How to De-Program Yourself in 6,456,129 Easy Steps
by 2escaped lifers inmy wife and i are new to this forum, and really, we're now new to life as well.
or rather, life is new to us, normal life that is.
i don't want to turn this into a novel (at least, not yet).
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willyloman
B&S: We don't know each other, but your story is our story, almost exactly! Thanks for putting it into words for us. And welcome aboard.
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Organization (Part 1 & 2)--1938 Watchtower
by onacruse inhere's a "normalized" copy of the pivotal 1938 watchtower articles that centralized authority in brooklyn and got rid of 'elective elders.
' these are based on .pdf copies of the originals, but aren't exact renditions (for example, some abbreviations and punctuations have been modified, paragraph numbers omitted).. june 1, 1938. .
w38 163. organization.
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willyloman
Wow, this is long. I'll just wait for the movie.