Posts by imallgrowedup

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A serious question about the angels that materialized pre-flood

by TweetieBird in

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according to the bible, the angels saw the daughters of men, materialized into human bodies and married the women, had children.

here's my question...did they create for themselves a human body or did they transform themselves into a human body that already existed?

i know this may seem silly, but i was just wondering where the sperm came from to impregnate the women?

imallgrowedup

Here is some interesting archealogical (sp?) info re: Nephilim - specifically, FEMALE nephilim. I found this at the following site: http://www.timelessvoyager.com/THESONSOFGOD.htm

The Hebrew nation was well aware of the literal existence of giants, since they for a time coexisted with them. However, few people today concede that these extraordinary beings actually existed -- though skeletal and other remains have been found to support this thesis. In 1898, H. Flagler Cowden and his brother, Charles, unearthed the fossil remains of a giant female, over seven feet tall. In 1895, a party of miners working near Bridal Veil Falls in California, discovered the tomb of a woman whose skeletal remains were 6 feet eight inches in length.

On May 4, 1912, the New York times published a report that eighteen skeletons were found while excavating a Mound near Lake Delavan Wisconsin. The males were giants with remarkably large heads. In 1930, a mining engineer named J. E. Coker, discovered the bodies of men eight feet in height buried tier by tier in Sayopa Sonora, Mexico. Here are a few other locations where gigantic human-like skeletal remains have been uncovered in recent years: Tioga Point, Bradford County Pennsylvania; Dresbach, Minnesota; La Crescent, Minnesota, and Ellisburg Pennsylvania.

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Senators Told Iraq Had WOMD & Delivery Capability

by Satanus in

http://www.floridatoday.com/!newsroom/localstoryn1216nelson.htm

u.s. sen. bill nelson said monday the bush administration last year told him and other senators that iraq not only had weapons of mass destruction, but they had the means to deliver them to east coast cities.

nelson, d-tallahassee, said about 75 senators got that news during a classified briefing before last october's congressional vote authorizing the use of force to remove saddam hussein from power.

imallgrowedup

Guest,

I understand. I shouldn't be spending time here, either. I have so many other things that require my attention right now.

I just wanted to say that I look forward to your answers to my questions. I have yet to find someone who is "on the other side of the fence" to help me see the logic in these questions differently than I see them. I would welcome your views.

Also, just to set the record straight, not everything in this thread are just "opinions." In fact, here is a link which describes the terrorist training camp in Iraq:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/salman_pak.htm

And below is a passage from this site: http://www.nationalreview.com/may/may040303.asp

That Saddam has conspired with terrorists for years is no longer in doubt. The CIA has documented Saddam's terrorist training camp at Salman Pak, southeast of Baghdad, complete with an airplane fuselage in which hijackers learn their trade. Terrorist mastermind Abu Nidal called Baghdad home for years. Saddam has been a generous investor in Hamas and similar organizations. When American troops and pro-American Kurdish partisans stormed an Ansar al-Islam camp in northern Iraq a few days ago, evidence of al Qaeda links were all over the place. And in testimony to the Senate Intelligence Committee on February 11, Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet stated plainly: "Iraq has in the past provided training in document forgery and bomb-making to al Qaeda. It also provided training in poisons and gasses to two al Qaeda associates."

Again, I'm looking forward to hearing from you again. Please be sure to pm me when you respond, I want to make sure I don't miss it!

Thanks!

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A serious question about the angels that materialized pre-flood

by TweetieBird in

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according to the bible, the angels saw the daughters of men, materialized into human bodies and married the women, had children.

here's my question...did they create for themselves a human body or did they transform themselves into a human body that already existed?

i know this may seem silly, but i was just wondering where the sperm came from to impregnate the women?

imallgrowedup

Tweetie -

Good question! I've wondered the same thing too! I have yet another question in this vein - have any skeletal remains every been found of the Nephilim? Does anyone know the answer to that?

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Senators Told Iraq Had WOMD & Delivery Capability

by Satanus in

http://www.floridatoday.com/!newsroom/localstoryn1216nelson.htm

u.s. sen. bill nelson said monday the bush administration last year told him and other senators that iraq not only had weapons of mass destruction, but they had the means to deliver them to east coast cities.

nelson, d-tallahassee, said about 75 senators got that news during a classified briefing before last october's congressional vote authorizing the use of force to remove saddam hussein from power.

imallgrowedup

Guest,

Nice to hear from you again! :-)

Allgrowedyp, so that means any names that are not American sounding names are terrorits or potential terrorists?

Of course not! :-) As I stated earlier, the names they found on the manifests were either people we knew to be terrorists, or other countries knew to be terrorists. They simply ran the names from the manifests through databases of known terrorists and most of these names popped right up.

Amazing how their satellites couldn't pick up on such activity, amazing

I would have to disagree with you here. I think it would be amazing if the satellites did pick up on the 9/11 attack before hand. They weren't designed to follow specific people, hear the words they speak or know the plans they made.

Since Saddam threw out the UN inspectors, how is that that still haven't found WMD's? I mean, if they knew they were there, where did they disappear to? Did he pull a David Copperfield?

Because we live in a world of "instant gratification", there is a tendency to call the US on the carpet because we have did not find the WMDs the first day of the war, capture Saddam the first day of the war, set up a new government the first day of the war, or turn the Iraqi economy into a thriving center of commerce on the first day of the war. Of course I'm exaggerating here, but in the real world, things don't happen that way. As I said to Euph earlier, the jury is still out on this.

Guest, I took the challenge to answer all the questions you brought forth in your last two posts to me. Will you please answer some questions for me?

First, why do you think Saddam was declaring public buildings as "Presidential Palaces", which exempted these buildings from inspection?

Second and beyond (!) - what do you think about the terrorist training camp which was found outside of Baghdad? Why do you think it was there? Who do you think built it? Who do you think used it?

Your opinion is important. What do you think?

:-)

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Senators Told Iraq Had WOMD & Delivery Capability

by Satanus in

http://www.floridatoday.com/!newsroom/localstoryn1216nelson.htm

u.s. sen. bill nelson said monday the bush administration last year told him and other senators that iraq not only had weapons of mass destruction, but they had the means to deliver them to east coast cities.

nelson, d-tallahassee, said about 75 senators got that news during a classified briefing before last october's congressional vote authorizing the use of force to remove saddam hussein from power.

imallgrowedup

Guest,

Allgrownup, I've asked this question before and maybe you can anwser it. The claim is that Saddam had WMD, yet, with their highly powered air technology they haven't photographed any these WMD's. Forget about the pictures that Powell showed at the UN. Question. With these 'demon' inspired expressions spewing from their mouths, how is it that they were able to indenitify the bombers of the WTC, the DAY AFTER? Weapons of WMD hasn't been confirmed, yet, they knew the day after who bombed the WTC & the Pentagon!

The reason we could identify most of the WTC bombers the day after 9/11 is because the airlines have passenger manifests which list the name of each person on board each aircraft. Most of these guys used their real names, or other aliases either we or other countries were aware they used. Additionally, it took more than one day to identify several of them, but essentially, they were all known terrorists.

As far as us knowing Saddam had WMD and we were not able to see them via satellite, is because we had intelligence on the ground that knew about them. Additionally, the first group of Weapons Inspectors knew that all their weapons had not been destroyed. I'm not trying to be a smarty pants here, but honestly, it is very difficult to see a vial of botulism from space.

Euph -

Saddam couldn't hit the East Coast.

Admittedly, I have no idea which munitions have which capabilities and ranges. However, is it possible that he could have reached the east coast from one of his western allies that were illegally supplying him with arms?

Simon,

If Saddam didn't have WMD or had made a decision to not persue WMD, why did he throw the first group of Weapons Inspectors out of the country?
Because they were spying?

They probably were. However, in order to find something that someone else wants hidden, more than likely, you're going to have to employ spy tactics to find it. It's just part of the way these things work. Because the first team had been destroying banned weapons, and the inspectors themselves said there were more, I still believe that they were getting too close to what he REALLY did not want to be found, and he tossed them out because he knew he wouldn't face any serious repercussions.

May I ask you your opinion on why you think Saddam was declaring public buildings as "Presidential Palaces" which made them exempt from inspections? And also your take on the terrorist training camp that was found outside Baghdad? Why do you think it was there? Who do you think built it? Why do you think Saddam allowed it to be there?

As usual, Inquiring Minds Want to Know!!

:-)

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Senators Told Iraq Had WOMD & Delivery Capability

by Satanus in

http://www.floridatoday.com/!newsroom/localstoryn1216nelson.htm

u.s. sen. bill nelson said monday the bush administration last year told him and other senators that iraq not only had weapons of mass destruction, but they had the means to deliver them to east coast cities.

nelson, d-tallahassee, said about 75 senators got that news during a classified briefing before last october's congressional vote authorizing the use of force to remove saddam hussein from power.

imallgrowedup

Euph -

I like the respectful way you present your opinions! :-)

If Saddam openly admitted having WMDs, France and Germany would have no choice but to support an invasion.

I agree. That is just one more reason to add to my argument on why he didn't publically announce his weapons program - and why he threw the inspectors out. The even more compelling argument in this vein is why he would be worried about France and Germany. First, despite the fact that he put on the tough persona in public, he knew darn well we could beat the socks off him - so having France and Germany involved in any "skirmish" wouldn't have made any difference. Defeat by 100,000 troops versus defeat by 200,000 troops is still defeat. I think there was another reason he was worried about France and Germany, and it has to do with the "suppliers" that would be cut off if he made an announcement. We already know for a fact that both France and Russia were supplying arms to Iraq despite UN Resolutions prohibiting this activity. What we don't know at this point is the extent or type of arms they were supplying him. Again, even more reason to believe he was keeping quiet because of fear of having his supply lines cut off.

I still say it is extremely suspicious that he was declaring public buildings "Presidential Palaces" in order to exempt them from inspection, and that he threw the weapons inspectors out after adding more and more "Presidential Palaces." Obviously he was hiding something in those buildings. What could he be hiding that he wouldn't want the weapons inspectors to find? Additionally, since a terrorist training camp was discovered outside Baghdad, why was it there? Who built it? Who ran it? Why did Saddam allow it in his country?

We may never know all the answers we seek, however, I think that without any sleep for days on end, Saddam just might answer these questions for us. I will be very interested to hear what he has to say.

:-)

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Senators Told Iraq Had WOMD & Delivery Capability

by Satanus in

http://www.floridatoday.com/!newsroom/localstoryn1216nelson.htm

u.s. sen. bill nelson said monday the bush administration last year told him and other senators that iraq not only had weapons of mass destruction, but they had the means to deliver them to east coast cities.

nelson, d-tallahassee, said about 75 senators got that news during a classified briefing before last october's congressional vote authorizing the use of force to remove saddam hussein from power.

imallgrowedup

Euph -

If Saddam didn't have WMD or had made a decision to not persue WMD, why did he throw the first group of Weapons Inspectors out of the country?
Good question, growedup. The best guess I've heard is that he believed that the US would try to depose him for geopolitical and economic reasons, and he figured that making the US think that he had WMDs was his best deterrent against an invasion. A serious miscalculation, of course.

Since you didn't voice this opinion, you just passed it along, I feel comfortable in saying that this sounds pretty lame to me. If he really wanted the "peace and security" that having WMD affords, he'd have been telling everyone he had them - he wouldn't have been denying it. In fact, I think he would have gloated about it even if saying he had them was a bald-faced lie. I think his silence on the matter says to me that he DID have them, and he didn't want anyone to know about them so that everyone would think he was weak and helpless and not a threat. The fact that his supplies might immediately dry up was probably another factor in his silence. In light of the fact that he kept declaring public building after public building "Presidential Palaces," and therefore exempt from inspections, I would even be willing to bet that perhaps Saddam had a close call with being caught by the inspectors, and that is when he decided to go on the offensive. To the best of my recollection, by the time he threw out the first group of inspectors, there were 20 (give or take) UN resolutions that had been enacted in regards to him, (which we can't forget that our "allies" endorsed as well). During that time, he learned that if he simply ignored them - nothing would ever happen - because nothing of consequence ever DID happen when he ignored them! Therefore, I honestly believe that he knew he could get away with making WMD while thumbing his nose at the rest of the world because he knew the UN would never do anything about it! I also think he was counting on the UN to restrain the US, whom he knew WOULD enforce it if push came to shove. He took a bad gamble.

The other point I want to make is that just because we have not found WMD yet, does not mean they will not be found. I see so many people expecting our troops and/or our country to do everything in the blink of an eye, including finding the WMD! Things don't happen that quickly in the real world. I specifically remember our troops finding a terrorist training camp in Iraq with a gutted American airplane. There is a REASON it was there. Someone had to intentionally erect shelters and eating facilities, as well as get that airplane there. Why was it there under those conditions? Based on just that one piece of evidence alone, I think people should be cautious before declaring that Saddam did NOT have WMD, or that he had nothing to do with 9/11. IMHO, the jury is still out.

SS -

This news points out that at least 75 senstors were briefed by the bush administration behind closed doors to the effect that iraq was indeed an imminent threat to continental united states. This, at a time which would give bush the go ahead for his invasion.

Well, unless this Senator is lying. Naaaa - that would never happen, would it? Hmmm ... where are the other 74 senators who conspicuously are not backing him up?

:-)

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Senators Told Iraq Had WOMD & Delivery Capability

by Satanus in

http://www.floridatoday.com/!newsroom/localstoryn1216nelson.htm

u.s. sen. bill nelson said monday the bush administration last year told him and other senators that iraq not only had weapons of mass destruction, but they had the means to deliver them to east coast cities.

nelson, d-tallahassee, said about 75 senators got that news during a classified briefing before last october's congressional vote authorizing the use of force to remove saddam hussein from power.

imallgrowedup

Here is my question: If Saddam didn't have WMD or had made a decision to not persue WMD, why did he throw the first group of Weapons Inspectors out of the country?

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Salary at Bethel

by sandy in

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what is the current monthly salary for the bethelites?

imallgrowedup

Twenty dollars per week??? You HAVE to be kidding!!! Isn't that illegal? Isn't that exploitation?!

Does the WT supply clothing and shoes as well? What about a retirement plan? When the slaves get too old, do they send them back home to die penniless?

Unbelievable!

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The Elders Are Getting Opinions About Minimus

by minimus in

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my mother told me that her bookstudy overseer asked his group this question---"why do you think a mature brother in the truth would just suddenly leave and stop coming to meetings?

any ideas?

" the group gave different opinions and finally he gave what he thought could be the reasons.

imallgrowedup

Min -

And I think they're afraid of a confrontation with me.

How could they be afraid of a funny little red snack who trucks around on such skinny legs?! Do they fear death by chocolate?!

I guess you were responding to a post and describing how your mother handles the direct questions while I was writing my post. She sounds like she can handle herself pretty well. I'm quite impressed because my own mother would never dream of speaking her mind to an elder. It's great that your mom feels she can be tough when she needs to be.

After reading the post by Seattle Nice Guy above, I think he offers some interesting insight. When it all comes down to it - we all see through our own set of glasses. However, it does not excuse the things he said about you in front of an audience.

Hope you get this figured out soon!

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