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  WTS Emergency Meeting

  by doinmypart in

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  the disaster relief committee at patterson organized 3 meetings this past memorial day, monday september 5, 2005. the meetings were held in lake charles, louisiana; bossier city, louisiana; and ball, louisiana.

  over 1,200 elders were in attendance from louisiana, missouri, arkansas, and texas.

  i took horrible notes, but want to share a few things.. the elder opening the meeting emphasized the importance of confidentiality.

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  Perhaps someone who has contacts with the Red Cross executive staff could confirm that the dubs were actually refused access. If this is not the case, then the Red Cross would have cause to sue the WT for slandering their name. I'd like to see them do it. Though I admit a private home is better than any shelter.

  Kenneson: Dubs in Florida were read letters after the hurricanes last year informing them that Kingdumb Halls were NOT to be used as shelters. Inessence don't run here if yu get in trouble. The tenor of the letter was that the Halls are not insured for such things and poorly equipped to handle relief. (Makes me angry every time I relate this.)
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  Suggestions for donations to Hurricane relief efforts

  by SadElder in

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  we sure that your hearts, like ours, are touched by the disaster of katrina and the impact for time to come on those directly affected.

  not only have these folks lost homes but many will have lost jobs as well.

  there will surely by pleas for monitary help from those intent only on lining their pockets.. any experience with those who should and shouldn't be sent donations?

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  We sure that your hearts, like ours, are touched by the disaster of Katrina and the impact for time to come on those directly affected. Not only have these folks lost homes but many will have lost jobs as well. There will surely by pleas for monitary help from those intent only on lining their pockets.

  Any experience with those who should and shouldn't be sent donations? We'd like to do some more to help besides what we've already done but aren't particularly fond of the Red Cross.

  Thanks to all for your ideas.
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  Hurr. Katrina and the WTS' slacking hand

  by doinmypart in

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  i work in a business that is dealing with the aftermath of hurricane katrina.

  in perusing a list of shelters in the affected areas i see civic centers, schools, several churches, but no kingdom halls (gasp!).

  imagine that!.

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  You will not see Kingdumb Halls on lists of shelters. Friends in Florida last year were read a letter from the borg instructing them not to come to Kingdom Halls in case of a weather emergency such as hurricanes. Something about insurance issues.

  What a crock.

  So the Kingdom Hall is supposed to be the center of true worship, but only in fair weather. Makes me boil just repeating it.
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  JWs who were actually cool

  by Black Man in

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  we always talk about the crazy j-dub fundy types, but i knew some cool jws (co, do, bethelites, pio) during my time.

  this is kind of a "where are they now" post along with acknowledginig some jws who were cool and down-to-earth.

  as with most "cool" and good people in the borg, most of them are either not jws anymore (burned out) or are not "serving" in responsible positions (funny how that works, isn't it).

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  There have been some we've known along the way who were great people and a real boost to others.

  Weldon Howze, kind and considerate.

  Met a Bethelite when we were doing our volunteer shifts from the Society's recording studio - Doug Loudin, didn't stay long at Crooklyn, think they probaby drove him crazy. Had good insight.

  Way back we remember Jim Hinderer, a CO later called to teach TMS school. Probably more a company man now. Back then just a regular kind of guy.

  Wonder where they are and what they think of things now?
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  In 70 words or less - Tell one person the 'truth about the Truth'...

  by AK - Jeff in

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  without use of profanity, vulgarity, or sarcasm.

  tell this hypothetical person who is still a dyed in the wool witness clearly why he/she should leave.

  do it in such a way that he/she will not bolt for the door screaming "get behind me satan" - in other words, use tact to anti-witness.. jeff

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  A lot of refuse and striving after the wind.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses: How Their Subculture is Fading Away.

  by metatron in

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  i am old enough to remember the days when conventions lasted many long days and large.

  numbers of brothers were employed in preparing hot meals served on trays, army-style.

  also recall how good these steam cooked meals tasted - and how policemen, assigned to.

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  Well said.

  I look back, with a special fondness, at the times spent in pre-convention work. The days and hours spent with dear friends, many who have long since past. The downfall of this started with telling the friends that the only ones qualified to work in various departments were ministerial servants and elders. They trained the folks to no longer be volunteers. In essence they told them you're not good enough to give, get the hell out of here. So that's what they've done, gotten out. Now look how hard it is to get people to work at conventions.

  The controlling interests in Brooklyn would have dubs do nothing but go in service, read the Watchtower, and go to meetings. Anything else is scummy dross in their opinion.

  Why is that beautiful Kingdom Hall properties can't be used as a secure place for our children to meet and play, and picnic together? Now congregations are told don't you dare come to a Kingdom Hall in time of disaster, we don't have the insurance for it. The Kindom Hall is a center of pure worship only at the whim of the legalistic minds in Brooklyn. To hell with them.
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  Breakfast Table at Bethel.

  by Blueblades in

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  anyone know of any exciting inside talk going on at the breakfast table at bethel.

  any governing body members doing any griping, or is the facade still going on?.

  you know , the text for the day is: the application is: and now the new light for the day is:?

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  Here's a list posted on this site

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/93019/1572445/post.ashx#1572445
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  Breakfast Table at Bethel.

  by Blueblades in

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  anyone know of any exciting inside talk going on at the breakfast table at bethel.

  any governing body members doing any griping, or is the facade still going on?.

  you know , the text for the day is: the application is: and now the new light for the day is:?

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  I don't think that the list is actually a new thing. I know I've seen it somewhere on the net but don't remember where. I'll try and find a copy or maybe coerce one from somewhere.
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  Breakfast Table at Bethel.

  by Blueblades in

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  anyone know of any exciting inside talk going on at the breakfast table at bethel.

  any governing body members doing any griping, or is the facade still going on?.

  you know , the text for the day is: the application is: and now the new light for the day is:?

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  Of course all discussions at the morning table are to be kept as "family business" as they are fond of saying.

  Recently Jack Barr castigated the "family" over an e-mail that had been distributed on the Bethel intranet. Supposedly a note was sent out listing changes that have been made in the Daniel Book. The "family" was told that if "they" (whoever "they" are) wanted such a thing published it would be done through appropriate channels.

  I believe Ted (the Boss) Jaracz, head of the Bethel CIA - Service Department, said that they have been investigating property purchases somewhere between Patterson and Wallkil. No details or decsions announced.

  Control, Control, Control.
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  Did it ever bother you that Watchtower never did charitible works?

  by AK - Jeff in

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  i mean, for forty years believing the witness lie it always made me wonder.. judas was the keeper of the money box - and there are statements that indicated that the apostles thought that wasting money that could be used to aid the poor was sinful - so indications are that the earliest christians were doing charitible works.

  of course there are many scriptural passages that encourage that activity among believers.

  today all the organization ever does is pay lip service to charity.

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  It's been said that "charity begins at home", yet rarely have we seen dubs in real need provided with what they need. How can they see the importance of assisting others in need?

  On a day when the KH is NOT used, it should be opened for distribution of food for these people. ''God's House'' should be a Sanctuary, not a lock-up shed.

  Can't imagine this ever happening. Dubs in Florida have been advised (read that .. ordered out) that they may not go to Kingdom Halls should they need shelter in the event of storm disasters. For insurance reasons of course.

  I'm sure that they sorely miss our nice monthly checks and other such donations. We have always been there for dubs or others who need help. That money we used to give to the hall goes elsewhere.

  A pock on all their houses.