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  Long prayers

  by fulano in

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  did you have one or two brother with way too long prayers in your congregation?

  when i was a child we had a brother who would go on and on after the watchtower study for at least five minutes.

  many elderly sisters just sat down and a lot were complaining after the long desired amen..

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  Those end of convention prayers were the worst. A rehash of everything and council to everyone included. Never did approve of prayers that counseled everyone.

  It wasn't a prayer but a comment at a Crooklyn Monday night Watchtower study that stands out for me. I believe it was Russ Kurzin(sp?) who droned on for 7 minutes by my watch. He was known for long comments so I checked the time when he started. Couldn't tell you a thing he said, just that he went on and on, a real Genesis to Revelation moment
  
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  Governing Body - Time in Ministry

  by Peeringin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  is there any transparency in how many hours on the ministry the governing body members do on the ministry?

  by this i mean the physical act of going door to door in their area.

  i guess it is plausible that they would count overseas trips and working on publications as part of their ministry, but this is not what they encourage from the jw on the street.. is it possible for a gb member to be reproved or otherwise for not going out in service?

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  When working at Crooklyn on some special projects, I remember seeing Martin Poetzinger and his wife standing on the corner down by Cadman Plaza holding up magazines like little soldiers but can't recall ever seeing them converse with anyone. Maybe they got a 2 for one hour credit for going out in service right there for all the visitors to see.
  
  
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  Oh how this religion has changed! Would this have been permitted 20 years ago??

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. beliefs

  https://m.facebook.com/100002613343180/posts/2271710659592690?sfns=mo.

  would the old-timers even recognise this religion anymore?.

  this is from one of the international conventions held this year.

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  I believe it was Ted (The Boss) Jaracz who put a stop to all 'secular' entertainment after a Zone/Branch visit he made. Even the Gilead graduations stopped having demonstrations of local culture and became boring as hell.
  
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  Remember when we lodged in private homes at conventions?

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i bring this up now because i haven't seen any postings about that practice because i got out in 1977. when did wt quit soliciting private homes for accomodations?

  or have they stopped?.

  i hated it, but it was the only way we could afford to go.

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  The last time I recall doing "rooming work" was for the Washington, D.C. convention in 1968. Beyond that time either my memory or the work has disappeared.
  
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  What's Tony up to today?

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  making a jw dot org tv presentation?

  making a liquor run for his cronies?

  in hiding?

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  Stan: Some years ago in West Palm Beach, FL a brother directed that year's drama did the introduction quite full of the spirit, it was very evident. Don't know what happened to him.
  
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  The Great KH Sell-Off

  by snugglebunny in

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  2. beliefs

  re the great kh sell off: could a congregation refuse to sign over their kingdom hall to the society?

  i seem to recall - many years ago admittedly - that my home kh had been paid for by voluntary donations, no loans being involved.

  i have no idea what the situation is now, but i do recall that many jw's contributed a set amount every month to the kh fund until there was enough money in the pot to build one.

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  Some years ago they (Crooklyn) had all US congregations add certain language to their articles of incorporation that named Watchtower or one of the shill corporations they use as ultimate beneficiary if the congregation ceased to exist. The actual verbiage used was adjusted to the laws of each state. The Circuit Overseer was to check the corporate documents to make certain that this was done.

  In our congregation this was adopted by the corporate body which was then all appointed men. The rank and file never even knew this was done and probably still don't. Could someone make a case that this was not the will of the people and get that set aside? The legal eagles can weigh in on this.
  
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  Service Department Reminder!

  by Atlantis in

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  2. friends

  was not sure if all of the friends got a copy of this.. .

  service department reminder.. .

  this reminder came in with the other gdpr boe.

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  Wonder if the elders know the Bethell message system tells mother when or if they read the documents sent?
  
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  Why doesn't the Watchtower Society never study the Bible cover to cover?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  in the 40 years as a jehovah's witness, i never read the bible cover to cover.

  the three meetings a week were broken up with book studies, awake and watchtower magazines,and ministry& field service meetings, all written by the watchtower society.

  never did we read any chapters from genesis to revelation and discuss the true meaning of what we just read.

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  Some years ago in what was then called the "Theocratic Ministry School" the first talk or "Instruction talk" was spent reviewing the material from the "All Scripture (si)" book which contained 66 chapters discussing a particular bible book. I seem to recall there may have been several weeks spent on each chapter. Periodically a review of the book with the same format was brought back. I guess that was the lame attempt at covering the Bible books.
  

  For some reason the "All Scripture" book seems to have fallen out of favor.
  
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  Does Anyone Remember Mr. Coffee

  by new boy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the apostate that hung around bethel back in the early 1970's.. i talk about "the frog" and "lady margret" in my book but knew nothing about "mr. coffee".

  any help please.

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  I just remembred the poor deranged guy who came to be known as Coffeemate. He was a street person, crazy as a loon, but harmless. His best was mocking Mr. Coffee and a few other choice expressions.
  
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  Does Anyone Remember Mr. Coffee

  by new boy in

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  2. friends

  the apostate that hung around bethel back in the early 1970's.. i talk about "the frog" and "lady margret" in my book but knew nothing about "mr. coffee".

  any help please.

  new boy.

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  Oh boy.... Mr Coffee.... he was a hoot. I may have a recording of him stashed somewhere. I'll have to search but I'm not hopeful.

  I believe he was disfellowshiped from the 124 congregation but I can't recall for certain if that was the congo.
  

  When I was there working on some special in the early 80's I remember his almost daily outrage at our "coffee on the Bethel table morning, noon and night" diatribes. He was especially vehement with Fred Franz. On my way down the hill to 25 occasionally I'd get shot at too, "another new suit this one has, hah, 14 dollars a month. Hypocrites, robots, .... blah blah." Then there was "on the Awake dated ??? there was a picture of a pregnant woman, a pregnant woman, and some blather about coffee again."

  At some point he got beat up by some neighbors and later, not during my time there, he was backed over by a Bethelite driving a truck and sustained a broken leg, I think Bob Thaal (sp) was the driver.

  I took a quick look through my files and didn't find the cassette that "Coffee" was on so I guess it's gone for good.

  Thanks for the reminders, and bringing a smile at some old memories.