Posts by talesin

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watch towers child abuse payouts

by Zordino in

if you had to guess, how much do you think wt pays out in child abuse settlements every year on a world wide scale?

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talesin

I remember when I first discovered the list of settlements on Rick Ross' anti-cult site, back in 2004 or so ... I was amazed there were so many! And that was, if memory serves me correctly, just in the USA. They have been settling these cases out-of-court for at least 15 or 20 years. And worldwide? It has to be in the millions.

It would be great to see an huge class action suit. If I had the evidence, I would definitely sue them. Let's hope these lawsuits accomplish two things:

1. Show the world what an evil cult the JWS is. The press loves a child abuse expose. Now that the ammunition is in the courts, we can expect to see more documentaries and stories on Britain's Channel 4, Canada's Fifth Estate, and other such programs.

2. Millions of USD bleeding from the coffers of the WTS and going into the bank accounts of their victims. Child sexual abuse is called 'soul murder', and righfully so! They deliberately and maliciously, for their own personal gain, colluded and continue to collude, with pedophiles. They need to be hit where it will hurt the most, and for any corporation, that means take their profits.

tal

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You'll Never, Never Read This In The Awake!

by metatron in

jw
friends

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-world-is-becoming-a-better-place-2014-10.

yup, sorry brothers.

the world is getting better, not worse.

talesin

Thanks, metatron. That makes more sense. When I thought of the 1/4 million Iraqis who were collateral damage in the latest invasion (toppling of Hussein regime), I had to wonder.

I think you make a good point, in terms of the way JWS would see it. There is no 'great tribulation', the elite still rule the world, and the poor still feed their greed. Nothing new about that.

Just Kidding - hmm, it's been a long time, but it seems to me that the OP is spot on. My understanding of the interpretation is different. I was taught that first we would see the 'signs of the times' that are listed in Matthew (wars, earthquakes, etc.), and then Thessalonians comes into play. There will be a declaration of peace (which I was taught in the 60s, began with the creation of the United Nations), and then the end will come! In 1975. ahahaha,,, it's so twisted ........ even as I'm explaining what I was taught, I can see how I was 'learning' two sets of prophecy at the same time. The good old WTS, applying the CYA rule of business.

What a crock!

tal

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You'll Never, Never Read This In The Awake!

by metatron in

jw
friends

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-world-is-becoming-a-better-place-2014-10.

yup, sorry brothers.

the world is getting better, not worse.

talesin

I agree, but have to question this ... What, precisely, is a 'violent war death'? As opposed to a non violent war death? That graph is not credible to me.

I really think it's no better or worse than it ever was. Just different. It all depends on one's perspective. If you're hungry, it matters not that others have food. If you are suffering, it matters not that others live in comfort. If you are dying of a horrible illness, it matters not that others can get medical treatment.

Live life to its fullest, be kind to all living things, do what you can to effect positive change in the world. Like Don Henley said in his indictment of the criminal justice system, titled "The Garden of Allah":

"'Because there are no facts, there is no truth
Just data to be manipulated
I can get you any result you like
What's it worth to you?'"

"'Because there is no wrong, there is no right
And I sleep very well at night
No shame, no solution, no remorse, no retribution
Just people selling T-shirts'"

Just opportunity to participate in the pathetic little circus
And winning, winning, winning'"

tal

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Just heard this song streaming on Internet radio, "Jehovah Witness Girl"

by undercover in

jw
friends

bluesy country song by a guy named scott snake miller.

lyrics cut/pasted from his website.... .

still wide awake ,heard a knock on my door comin down off of somethin from the night before.. looked out the window and what did i see?a pretty girl waitin for me.. she started blamin the devil for all my mistakes,talked of worship and prayer so i tried to relate.. i guess god could'nt make it so he must of sent her,the jehova witness girl.. she left me a booklet to read when i can i said yes i will surely do that mam.. full of colorful pictures,spiritual scenes i read up to page 23.. it said when the wrath of the lord brings the world to an end if i get my shit straight then i just might get in.. cause i aint on the guest list so i'm takin my turn with jehova witness girl.

talesin

Thanks, Wolfman. I am a student of human behaviour - people fascinate me, albeit mostly at arm's length. :))

tal

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Consider the "outcome" when elders apply the two-witness "rule"

by AndersonsInfo in

jehovahs witnesses two-witness rule is applied by elders when a witness member accuses another member of a sin, even if that sin is a criminal act.

if there arent two witnesses to the accusation, it goes nowhere, including not being reported to the authorities.

and in the case of an allegation of child abuse, the accused is free to molest again.. watchtower attorney, jim mccabe, recently stated this about jehovahs witnesses two-witness rule which he described as a bible-based belief :.

talesin

Very interesting! At this point, it's a purely legalistic battle (there is no question in any reasonable person's mind, that they are morally wrong), and the Society's own counsel may have been a predictor of things to come. This is ironic, since the disfellowshipping is (or was, back in the 70s) for 'bringing reproach on Jehovah's name'. The WTS certainly got a good spanking for bringing reproach on Jehovah's name in the Conti case - let's hope it continues.

t

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Consider the "outcome" when elders apply the two-witness "rule"

by AndersonsInfo in

jehovahs witnesses two-witness rule is applied by elders when a witness member accuses another member of a sin, even if that sin is a criminal act.

if there arent two witnesses to the accusation, it goes nowhere, including not being reported to the authorities.

and in the case of an allegation of child abuse, the accused is free to molest again.. watchtower attorney, jim mccabe, recently stated this about jehovahs witnesses two-witness rule which he described as a bible-based belief :.

talesin

Enzo

The difference being, that Jehovah's Witnesses systematically cover up child rape, and molestation of every kind. They have, for many years, condemned the Catholic Church for moving its pedophiles from church to church. The WTS does the same thing with Special Pioneers and COs who are child rapists.

Also, the WTS fails to report when it is legally mandated by the state. That is a crime - the statutes vary from country to country, and state to state, but Clergy are considered in the same light as Teachers - they are obligated to report.

Pedophiles (even convicted ones who are deemed 'repentant' by a body of elders) are permitted to go from door-to-door, representing themselves as Jehovah's Witnesses. Members of the congregations are NOT warned that a pedophile has close access to their children. Indeed, if YOUR child is raped, and there are not two witnesses, YOU can be disfellowshipped for warning other parents and thereby slandering the Brother or Sister who offended them, as far as Jehovah's Organization is concerned.

It's a CULT!

tal

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Consider the "outcome" when elders apply the two-witness "rule"

by AndersonsInfo in

jehovahs witnesses two-witness rule is applied by elders when a witness member accuses another member of a sin, even if that sin is a criminal act.

if there arent two witnesses to the accusation, it goes nowhere, including not being reported to the authorities.

and in the case of an allegation of child abuse, the accused is free to molest again.. watchtower attorney, jim mccabe, recently stated this about jehovahs witnesses two-witness rule which he described as a bible-based belief :.

talesin

Plaintiff John Doe I, during ages 11 to 14 endured sexual abuses: forced to perform oral sex on 3 men when he was 12 years old;

Well, there was more than ONE abuser involved, and I believe the original article I saw (FOX news) mentioned that.

There may be much more to this story. I'm not going to say what I am thinking, but no big surprise it is from the DFW area.

tal

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How to make the most of wife not going to service meeting?

by FadeToBlack in

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friends

out of the blue, my wife told me that after this week's service meeting on friday (co visit) she is not going to anymore meetings during the week at night.

only sunday (am) meetings.

she explained that it is difficult and not safe for her to drive after dark (vision issues: i have the same problem so i couldn't help her if i wanted to).

talesin

Ya know what? Maybe if you get to know one another (which JWS rarely do), things will change. Maybe she likes to play board games, or XBox, or hey, dance! You just never had a chance to try out those things.

Hey, and most men don't think to just ask - so do NOT beat yourself up for that! Don't get stuck on the 'good provider' stuff - if you have a problem with your vision, and life is tough - it's not your fault. Guilt is a relationship destroyer. Be the best man, the best person you can be, and if you can work as a team, there can be much love and laughter in a poor home. My Grammy taught me that - never did she guilt Grampy because he went blind, and they made it through the hardships by sticking together. It does not make a person 'less', to be sick - screw those who treat you that way!

Hmm, only you can know if there is and was ever that spark. Good marriages can be built, and love can grow. All you can do is give it a try, and see if you grow closer together.

xx

tal

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Mental Disorders among JW's

by Blackfalcon98 in

hi everyone, im begining to notice patterns of mental issues in the congregations and among the witnesses as a group.

do you think this is a trend in the entire world or is it exagerated in this organization?.

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talesin

DOC - depends on the browser, and hey, must we be grammar nazis? really? :)

Enzo - I see what your point. Here in North America, we "count" curable illness. Clinical depression is a very real MI, and yes, it can be cured and treated. I don't understand why you would not consider it a mental illness? Perhaps this is a cultural thing.

Here in North America, we do go a bit far with the depression 'thing', imho. I have a friend whose doctor prescribed anti-depressants 3 months after his wife died. That is so wrong! We are supposed to be depressed when someone dies. On the other hand, some people struggle with depression for the very reason you list - their body does not produce seratonin (which is also causally linked to a lack of melatonin - oh, it gets complicated!). That being said, depression can result in the most drastic - suicide - but can cause many somatic illnesses. It is also noted in studies that depression *may* contribute to the growth of cancer, to auto-immune diseases, heart disease, and well, that's what I can think of at this moment.

The depression that can be caused by cognitive dissonance (CD) is widespread among the JW community. If you understand CD, then think of it this way.

You can trust No One in the world unless the are JW - not even your unbelieving parent! You never have time for yourself (ie, taking a weekend to go fishing is wrong - time is short, we must preach!) You are NEVER good enough. You are the Happiest Person on Earth! Jehovah protects his people.

Meanwhile, you are going to school and work, and observing that OTHER ,,, *worldly* .... people seem to be happy. They abhor Satan worship (sorry to any Satanists on board, don't take it personally), or so they say.

AND they do Christian acts! Your logical mind keeps saying "But mr. Smith next door is a good person!" but the religion has made you believe they are EVIL.

There is a constant battle in your head, between your belief system, and the reality that you see every day. It's enough to drive a person crazy, literally.

I do not expect or want/need you to agree, just for the sake of discussion, because hey, that's a great way to learn. :)

xx

tal

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Do you remember the 15 minute break at the Sun. meeting?

by 3rdgen in

a poster on another thread reminded me of when there was a 15 min.

break between the talk and the wt study on sundays.

the break was supposed to be to allow jw's time to drive their bible studys home from the talk.

talesin

Aw, you know I love ya, gal!