Posts by talesin

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1 Meeting for each of your fingers ? ? ?

by william draper in

anybody remember how this became a doctrine , years ago , we were at the meetings so that out fingers would be learning something .

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talesin

Oubliette, ahaha! love it

Can someone who experienced this part of JW-ism, please elaborate on what decade, and perhaps country? It may be a regional thing, or not from 'my time', but this is completely new to me. I don't doubt it for a second, and would like to know more details about when and where. Thanks!

("my time' would be 60s/70s)

; )

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Hounded to his Death

by Slidin Fast in

http://www.thanetgazette.co.uk/inquest-concludes-dad-died-margate-night-went/story-26272711-detail/story.html.

this story makes me ill with rage.

this man's crime?

talesin

D-D and Magnum ........ calm down! Remember, we have "all kinds" on the board. Remember when ??? *rolls eyes* .. so, don't let any 'voting' affect your day.

You know, you are the bestest! xx

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Hounded to his Death

by Slidin Fast in

http://www.thanetgazette.co.uk/inquest-concludes-dad-died-margate-night-went/story-26272711-detail/story.html.

this story makes me ill with rage.

this man's crime?

talesin

I read the story closely, and it appears that he uploaded some personal pics to a porn site, and got caught. After meeting with him, the elders told his wife of his 'crime'.

It's easy to see, how this poor man just hit 'overload'. His whole world was shattered in a mere 72 hours.

Oh, did I say how much I detest this cult and its apologetic members? If they choose to be this cruel, they are despicable. Period.

* spews *

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Active posters: What education have you had, what degrees do you possess?

by EndofMysteries in

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from so many posts and conversations on here, you'd think over 1/2 the posters here possess doctorates in theology, physics, biology, etc.

i'm curious aside from the books and research people have done here, what degrees they have.

to start, i just got an aa and going straight through full time to an mba.

talesin

Smiddy, Hoser, Orphan Crow, I agree.

I do think that it's good to have at least a Master's Degree nowadays if one is entering certain professions. Heck, I was yanked out of school at 14, and by 30 had a very successful career, after obtaining my GED and beginning university at age 22. Ah, what a time that was! Learning is the bestest career in the world.

Education is a wonderful thing, and I've pursued it all my life as a perpetual student. Unfortunately, politics and connections will get you much farther in most fields than will your letters and hard work. Sad but true.

OC, hmm, depending on your specialization (ie, visual, film, sculpting, etc.), you may fare better with some good marketing. Your degree is NEVER wasted, please remember that! Yes, the art world is one that will disillusion a person quickly, but never stop creating . find a way. xoxo

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Thoughts on "Going Clear," the Scientology Documentary

by OnTheWayOut in

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friends

i managed to find a copy of "going clear" on the internet.

i won't post a link because most are loaded with pop-ups and you have to be careful about accidental downloads.

mine was no exception, but i managed to keep the computer clean.

talesin

OTWO, that sux! It's running here in Canada. And I know how frustrating that is.

Yes, the Isaac Hayes story would be its own documentary. I remember at the time, there were people passing out leaflets about the story downtown - and if I recall, the South Park people had things to say. An early warning sign, imo. Now the truth is coming out because of those who are brave enough to speak.

It was interesting that they went up against the IRS and won. We just don't know how well-connected these cult leaders are.

EDIT: Interesting - I can't play the vid from my link, but I can open a window and it works when I go directly to youtube. And, here is the 'note' on the youtube vid.

"FULL MOVIE: NO LINKS! THE ACTUAL HBO DOCUMENTARY ON YOUTUBE! NO REFFERAL SCAM!ENJOY, LIKE AND SHARE! SUBSCRIBE FOR MORE.
This video has been blocked in the the USA. If you have problems viewing the Documentary use a web proxy to access youtube over Canada or anywhere mainland Europe. You can also google "unblock youtube videos" should you be affected by the block.

Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief HD 2015 Documentary

No Commercial Gain Is Being Made From This Video, it is for Educational purpose only. Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. No Copyright infringement intended. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing, Non-profit, educational, or personal use tips the balance in favor of fair use. The music in this video remains the property of the copyright holder and images. No challenge of ownership is intended or implied.

The film is based on the Pulitzer Prize–winning journalist Lawrence Wright's book Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood, and the Prison of Belief, which was published in January 2013 and was a National Book Award finalist. HBO announced in December 2014 that Alex Gibney, an Oscar-winning director who made Taxi to the Dark Side and The Armstrong Lie, was directing a film based on the book, to be released at the 2015 Sundance Festival. It was the first time that HBO had tackled Scientology directly, though not the first time it had clashed with the church, which had mounted demonstrations outside HBO's headquarters after a 1998 documentary presented anti-depressant drugs – fiercely opposed by Scientology – in a positive light.

Gibney began working on the film in 2013 after becoming intrigued by Wright's book. He collaborated with Wright, who came on board as a producer, to explore the book's underlying theme of "how people become prisoners of faith in various ways". He saw Scientology as one of the toughest subjects he has had to tackle in his career as a documentarian, alongside government complicity in torture, corporate financial malfeasance, and clerical sexual abuse.

Fear of Scientology's litigiousness meant that no American network was willing to license any material to the film makers, which Gibney found "astounding". He commented that he "found it interesting that universally this subject — more than any other — provoked all the networks to decline to license. I think at the end of the day, that tells you more about Scientology than it does about the networks, which is how ruthless they've been in trying to silence any criticism." The church's reputation for harassing its critics made it necessary for Gibney to use burner phones to contact interviewees and film in secret: "Sometimes for the on-camera interviews we'd set up gear in somebody's house and I'd make sure I'd be there hours before. Then the person would show up there so it was like they were just going to somebody’s house."

Explaining why he chose to make a film about Scientology, he told Reuters that he considered it to be "an important topic. Not only about this church of Scientology, which everybody's fascinated with partially because of the celebrities, but partially because of the way that the church seems to turn people to do things that I think they would normally never do if had they not entered the church." Gibney, Wright and the former Scientologists who appeared in the film told a post-screening question-and-answer session that they hoped that it would raise public awareness about the alleged abuses committed by the Church of Scientology and would prompt the media and law enforcement agencies to investigate further."

[bold is mine]

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Thoughts on "Going Clear," the Scientology Documentary

by OnTheWayOut in

jw
friends

i managed to find a copy of "going clear" on the internet.

i won't post a link because most are loaded with pop-ups and you have to be careful about accidental downloads.

mine was no exception, but i managed to keep the computer clean.

talesin

fedup, I felt the same. It's so much like the JWS, in almost every way.

I remember watching Paul Haggis speaking of this in 2010/11, and he feared for his family's safety but refused to hush up.

Noted that there was nothing about the Isaac Hayes affair.

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Thoughts on "Going Clear," the Scientology Documentary

by OnTheWayOut in

jw
friends

i managed to find a copy of "going clear" on the internet.

i won't post a link because most are loaded with pop-ups and you have to be careful about accidental downloads.

mine was no exception, but i managed to keep the computer clean.

talesin

I just watched this the other day on youtube (posted up March 30) in its entirety ,,,

Not sure how long it will stay up, so I recommend watching it now. :))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6_k5VL14pM

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A JW college athlete reveals he's gay on Facebook

by matt2414 in

i don't know if anyone else has posted this story, but i found it very inspiring.

he's a great example for gay and straight witnesses alike.. http://www.outsports.com/2015/4/5/8344915/david-gilbert-lewis-clark-college-runner.

talesin

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Religions Are - Awesome Quote

by yodastar in

my wife grew up without a religious upbringing.

she was passed down a german bible given to her grandfather in 1935 which had a hand written inscription by two jewish colleagues of her grandfather at the time.

inside was a quote either written by her relatives or anonymous, not sure which but i really had to share it as it really sums it up for me - enjoy!.

talesin

It sounds like someone was in tune with the transcendentalist school of thought, and especially Whitman.

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Why attack?

by newqatarjob in

as someone brought up as a jw and been an elder and been disfellowshipped (twice!!!

) i find it difficult to understand why ex jws have to attack the religion, yes religion, not cult or sect.

i am no longer disfellowshipped just do not want to practice anymore.

talesin

Pistoff, what a passionate, and poignant, reply! And I quote: "We are here to tell the truth". Thank you! xx

And I am thinking of a particular member, whose wife died for lack of a kidney transplant, 6 months before they had 'new light'. Thinking of you, G. xx

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My reason is that they lie, lie, lie, about everything from their credentials to what they do with our money.
I expect to be lied to in business, but not from a 'religion'.
And they split up families.
They change doctrine constantly, and expect you to keep up, to swear loyalty to the old ideas, and when they change, to discard them and swear loyalty to the new.
And if you pay attention, you might let your minor child bleed to death, or watch your spouse slowly die in front of you, when they refuse blood to 'stay loyal to Jehovah'.
There; how is that for reasons to 'attack'?
We are here to tell the truth about our experience being a JW, that is our experience.