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  Evolution - Myths and Evidence

  by maksutov in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have nearly finished writing my 'apostate' book, which i will soon be publishing as a free e-book.

  here is an excerpt from it on the subject of evolution and the misconceptions about it held by jws.

  sorry it's a bit long, but i would appreciate any feedback.

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  talesin

  Most excellent, and so much work. Your book could help a lot of people exiting the cult. Well done!
  

  I think this could be confusing, especially to a JW creationist who (most likely) has a high school education or less. You wouldn't want to put them off from the get-go.

  • Evolution is a well established scientific theory; there is copious evidence in support of it, and virtually all life scientists (even those who are religious) agree that it is a fact.

  Evolution is a theory ,,, yet a fact? Perhaps a definition of what constitutes a 'theory' in science would clarify that to the reader.

  This is not a criticism; just trying to be helpful.

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  "They 'thought' themselves out of the truth, and clearly they are living an unhappy life now!"

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  yep, these gems and comments were used in the talk today:.

  speaking of ones who "failed to show appreciation for all the rich spiritual food we get from the f&ds", the speaker said this:.

  "many have even failed to keep up with everything we are lovingly provided by christ's brothers, and rather than keeping their faith strong, they have become complacent and even critical ofjehovah's provisions!

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  talesin

  It doesn't matter .. that 'look' is their cognitive dissonance showing its ugly face because the Society (TM) has not given them a script for this conversation. Though I agree wholeheartedly, Oubliette - don't give them any ammunition, even if your spouse just left you, you have an incurable disease and your dog died. Never let 'em see you sweat!

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  Today's WT

  by OneFingerSalute in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so today's wt seems to put out the idea that during early christian times it was god's hand that made the romans build roads, have strong laws, etc.

  to make the preaching easier.. anyone else notice that?

  some here really banged on about how great it was that god did that, just for them.

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  talesin

  Leave it to the JWS to give their dog, ermmm, I mean "god", all the credit. : P
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  Does Anyone Know Where This Picture Came From...

  by MADMARY in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it couldn't be from a watchtower cover, right???

  does anyone know?.

  mm.

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  talesin

  Violias - you know, that was not a personal attack towards all who feel bitter. I don't believe that people need to 'get over it', or anything like that.

  Of course, your feelings are valid! I do NOT forgive my abusers, and never will.
  
  My comments are directed to those who think they are leading a huge movement of apostates! And these memes are Educating the PUBLIC! ahahaha!

  As Judge Judy would say "Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining". IOW, these meme creators assume a posture which is untrue: that said memes are helpful in educating people about the WTS. They are no more than expressions of bitterness.
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  "In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth . ."

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so where did god exist before he created the heavens?

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  talesin

  I honestly would like you to think about this question, Fisherman. No need to reply, as I'm not looking to debate or ridicule your beliefs. it's meant to be food for thought..

  You said this:
  
  

  Given a living creature and the same creature dead, the difference between them is the substance that "animates" them.

  My question:
  
  A person is brain-dead... medically, scientifically - dead. The only thing keeping that flesh alive is the machines. Is this 'substance' animating the brain-dead body?
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  The shift: from follower to wanting to leave

  by paradisebeauty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this week has been the week when my whole way of thinking shifted.

  i still cannot believe how this can happen so fast.

  over a period of seven days i went from not even imagining that i could ever not be a witness to wanting to get out of this organisation.. .

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  talesin

  Take a deep breath!

  Your mind and logic have figured it out, and that is a wonderful thing. Remembering when I left the religion .... it happened quickly for me, too. Even though I knew it was not the truth, my stomach would churn and I would feel very panicked. This is NORMAL - your world view has been destroyed, and you need time to absorb the shock to your emotions.

  You are smart to think first about what you should do. There will be lots of support and good advice here.

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  "They 'thought' themselves out of the truth, and clearly they are living an unhappy life now!"

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  yep, these gems and comments were used in the talk today:.

  speaking of ones who "failed to show appreciation for all the rich spiritual food we get from the f&ds", the speaker said this:.

  "many have even failed to keep up with everything we are lovingly provided by christ's brothers, and rather than keeping their faith strong, they have become complacent and even critical ofjehovah's provisions!

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  talesin

  They have 'thought themselves out of the truth'

  Ironically, that is the reality, and the speaker is saying "if you believe in the truth, you are not a thinking person". They came to their senses. And the main reason that ex-JWS are miserable (those who are) is because of the loss of their family!

  I can't imagine how hard it would be, to listen to that drivel. It must make you angry, and so sad.

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  Things that I trust more than Hillary Clinton

  by Nathan Natas in

  1. social
  2. humour

  things that i trust more than hillary clinton:.

  mexican tap water.

  any email from nigeria.

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  talesin

  I think they should choose another bona fide actor, rather than a businessman/woman. Think about it. In the 80s, America was convinced that "Reganomics" was sound fiscal policy. If you have a good enough pitchman, people will believe anything.

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  Just kidding! Well, not really.
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  Things that I trust more than Hillary Clinton

  by Nathan Natas in

  1. social
  2. humour

  things that i trust more than hillary clinton:.

  mexican tap water.

  any email from nigeria.

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  talesin

  OTWO Indeed.
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  Do NOT go to college, system is coming to an end, EVEN in 1969!!!!!

  by Jez in

  1. social
  2. current

  if you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that.

  you will never grow old in this present system of things... .all evidence in fulfillment of bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years... as a young person you will never fulfill any career that this system offers.

  if you are in high school and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career.

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  talesin

  I was too young to prevent this, but my parents (who believed that shyte, it was 1972) had me hauled out of HS at age 14, when I had a super scholarship deal for my senior year, as an exchange student in Paris. The Guidance Counsellor had been working with me, but when Mother found out ... well, Jehovah wasn't gonna let that happen! NO, don't let that child be a doctor! So, I don't even remember ages 14-16, but dd leave home at 16 to board with another JW family.

  I left the religion when I was 18, and never darkened the door of a KH since. It wasn't easy to go it alone in the 70s, with poor health and a grade X education. But I went back to school, and university, and am proud of my personal achievements.
  

  Fast forward 20 years ... my mother "Oh, and AP (a girl I grew up with, whose father was 'worldly' and mother 'spiritually weak') is a DOCTOR! Isn't that amazing? Her mother is so PROUD!"

  "But mom, I wanted to be a doctor and you wouldn't let me."
  
  "That's not true. You *wanted* to leave school."

  Hypocritical woman that she is. She is the perfect 'elderette'.

  Ah, yes, the 1975 Generation. Some of us didn't believe, or buy into that, but still paid the price.

  (PS, if you are reading this, AP, don't take offense. I am happy for you! xoxo J)