Oubliette ---- yes, yes, yes! They have no 'sense' of personal integrity, because they have no boundaries. Their ethics are defined, entirely, by the WTBTS.
talesin
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Why do we get TTATT and others don't?
by quest81 ini have thought about how ttatt came full circle for me.
how the connecting the dots was simple and just made sense,.
how silos of information are literally at our fingertips today.. why is it that the ones we love cannot get ttatt?.
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What is BELIEF ?
by EdenOne instemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.
what exactly is "belief"?.
is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?
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talesin
Eden
I'm not in this to 'win'. That's what this thread is all about, imho. So, I'll address your comment to me.
Well, are you sure you got your facts right?
"By now, the difference between being an atheist and being an agnostic should be pretty clear and pretty easy to remember. Atheism is about belief, or specifically what you don't believe. Agnosticism is about knowledge, or specifically about what you don't know. An atheist doesn't believe in any gods. An agnostic doesn't know if any gods exist or not. These can be the exact same person, but need not be."
Extracted from atheism.about.com
.. you're welcome.
EdenTalesin: Actually, it's exactly the opposite.
Like I said, it's all about semantics.
Atheism is our natural state - we are born with no knowledge of any type of deity. Societal and family tradition may teach us that there is a "G*d". There is absolutely NO evidence of a 'supreme' being - none. This is how this atheist sees the equation.
Agnostics have been taught 'religion', and don't really believe it, but are either unsure of what they believe (intellectual honesty) or hedging their bets (emotionally driven, and *wishing* for any easy answer).
Oh, and by the way .... it may be fine for others that you choose to quote some website to make your entire point, but personally, I feel that your arguments lack substance because of it.
tal :sunglasses:
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What is BELIEF ?
by EdenOne instemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.
what exactly is "belief"?.
is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?
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talesin
Well, I see this thread is mostly semantics, with little substance.
Interesting, thought, your last comment Eden
Atheism is a position about belief, while agnosticism is a position about knowledge.Actually, it's exactly the opposite.
Atheists see the LACK OF KNOWLEDGE about any deity .. Believers and agnostics see a POSSIBIITY OF BELIEF.
Thanks for setting that straight.
tal :sunglasses:
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What is BELIEF ?
by EdenOne instemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.
what exactly is "belief"?.
is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?
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talesin
wow, 23 pages of hot air and all we have to do is ask the OED. :)
Notes on the quote below:
"Belief" may be defined as a concept that is without proof, especially when spoken of in a religious concept.
- [uncountable] belief (in something/somebody) a strong feeling that something/somebody exists or is true; confidence that something/somebody is good or right
- I admire his passionate belief in what he is doing.
- belief in God/democracy
- The incident has shaken my belief (= made me have less confidence) in the police.
- [singular, uncountable] belief (that…) an opinion about something; something that you think is true
- She acted in the belief that she was doing good.
- Contrary to popular belief (= in spite of what people may think), he was not responsible for the tragedy.
- There is a general belief that things will soon get better.
- [countable, usually plural] something that you believe, especially as part of your religion
- religious/political beliefs
- A society should be judged on its beliefs and values.
BrE /bɪˈliːf/
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Why do we get TTATT and others don't?
by quest81 ini have thought about how ttatt came full circle for me.
how the connecting the dots was simple and just made sense,.
how silos of information are literally at our fingertips today.. why is it that the ones we love cannot get ttatt?.
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talesin
Agreed, OUTLAW.
I notice, from my time here, that many 'born in' folk leave after 20-30-40 years as an adult. That is sad for me. My life was harsher because I left, but I was gone at 18. At least I *had* a life. haha, filled with pitfalls and much learning it was, but at least it was MY choices, and MY consequences. But, I digress...
I'm happy to see the exodus of the 'baby-boomer' generations of JWS (yeah, think of yourself as that, instead of the 1975 generation - "baby boomer" is a phrase that 'normalizes' your experience ,,,) and to tell the truth - our parents' generation was MORE susceptible to the JWS because of their WWII experience, fear of nuclear warfare,. etc., so we Boomers need to recognize that - it's part of our healing. Be happy and proud that YOU could recognize TTATT. xxoo
So, that strays a bit from the OP, but hoping it contributes to the dialogue.
t :sunglasses:
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Why do we get TTATT and others don't?
by quest81 ini have thought about how ttatt came full circle for me.
how the connecting the dots was simple and just made sense,.
how silos of information are literally at our fingertips today.. why is it that the ones we love cannot get ttatt?.
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talesin
Again, CD theory explains why many people continue to hold on to beliefs that are demonstrably wrong.
This is true, and one reason why I think 'born-in' people can have a harder time accepting TTATT, even when they know it consciously.
Their CD is so great that they are unable or unwilling to embrace the concept that they have been taught to believe in a LIE.
I compare it to "The American Dream" - virtually a whole culture who believe that if you work hard, get an education and keep your nose clean, that you are guaranteed success. AHAHA! That is CD on a large scale - and, as with the JWS, the American people have had this concept pounded into their heads since birth.
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Cropping the Side of My Post
by BluesBrother inyesterday i posted a topic :.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/209140001/watchtower-june-15-2015-misleading-reference-past-statement.
the right side of the post was chopped off, in my computer anyway , using google chrome.
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talesin
I get the concept = easy.
But as an artist who can use my pc as a tool, but does not have the knowledge of a PC junkie, or expert,
How do I change that url to my chosen text? How do I save it on here........ etc.
Don't forget -- this is your field. Especially when dealing with folks who may have been computer illiterate before joining this forum, it MAY be helpful to spell things like this out.........Step ... by PAINFUL .... STEP.
Please, and thank you!
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1 Meeting for each of your fingers ? ? ?
by william draper inanybody remember how this became a doctrine , years ago , we were at the meetings so that out fingers would be learning something .
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talesin
Thanks, William Draper. It was way past the time I left, and explains why this is all new to me. xx
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World becoming more religious not less
by Stealth inthis is bad news for the evolution of humankind.
even worse, islam is the fastest growing religion.
http://www.livescience.com/50370-worlds-religious-population-will-grow.html?cmpid=nl_ls_weekly_2015-04-03 .
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talesin
Technological illiteracy, combined with fear of *nothing* ......... ie, ideas like terrorism, poverty, hunger - ie, these are concepts .......... there is no WAR that will cure these ills, only a sea change of the world view.
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Hounded to his Death
by Slidin Fast inhttp://www.thanetgazette.co.uk/inquest-concludes-dad-died-margate-night-went/story-26272711-detail/story.html.
this story makes me ill with rage.
this man's crime?
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talesin
Grreat Teacher, Agreed! I thought of that as well .. hmmm, who reported him? Obviously another JW who was surfing that site! It's all so moronic and high-school at the same time. Thing is, it ruins lives. haha, I can bear witness! :P
xo
tal :sunglasses: