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Brooklyn Brownstoner article: Reader Unearths Fascinating 1969 Letter About Then-New Jehovah’s Witnesses HQ

by AndersonsInfo in

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http://www.brownstoner.com/blog/2016/01/jehovah-witness-history-brooklyn-squibb-1969-donations/.

reader unearths fascinating 1969 letter about then-new jehovah’s witnesses hq.

by barbara eldredge 1/25/16.

talesin

I had never read that full story of Russel and the real estate and subsequent court cases (especially Empire); it really was all about the money. He had great ambition and lust for fame as well, as evidenced by his need for recognition.

That's quite the connection to the story, too, Ms. Anderson. : D I can well imagine that those were exciting times, being young and zealous. The real evils were not apparent in those days.

One thing this article made me remember ... 1969 ... the Awake! (TM) front cover about 1975. Yet, at the same time, making major investments in real estate. I was still a child, so don't remember the reasoning behind this. Perhaps an expansion of the 'preaching work' due to the urgency of the 1975 date?

Thanks, very interesting. xx

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inquiring mind has 3 questions

by OutsiderLookingIn in

just a few questions from a newbie.

answer one or as many as you want.

1. why cleaners?

talesin

1. Why cleaners? This isn't a class or status question. I don't look down on people for their occupation but I'm curious. I've read so many stories here that Jehovah's Witnesses are cleaners and the few I know are tidy. What's the history of that? The money is great, and you work off-hours, unless you choose to do private homes or restoration cleaning.

2. What does 2/3 leave the religion really mean? It sounds very positive, but from my anecdotal experience and what I've read here, leaving doesn't mean they won't return or that even if they're inactive they are not still heavily indoctrinated. I believe that may be 2/3 of GenXers or even Y; many Boomers are just waking up to TTATT in their 50s, 60s. And yes, many who leave the cult physically remain prisoners in their minds, never losing the guilt and need to 'do better'.

3. Non-JWs/never dubs: how many first learned what JWs actually believe or became interested in the business of JWs because a significant other or a romantic interest was a JW? On another thread, I mentioned that most of us mere worldlies don't know what it's really all about until it confronts us head on. I had some forewarning and still didn't understand how captive and damaging JWs could be. Born in, so N/A.

Edit: Good point, Black Sheep....... glad to read that, have been wondering if you are doing ok. : )

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Honestly, Did Jehovah's Witnesses Do Anything POSITIVE For You?

by minimus in

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i was raised as a witness and am very thankful that i am out.

having said that, i think my upbringing produced positive qualities in me.

do you believe that anything positive came from your being a witness?

talesin

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Seriously....We have to start attacking this cult!!! Enough is enough!!

by DATA-DOG in

i propose that we make pintrest accounts and start openly challenging this crap.. .

seriously.... any suggestions?

this crap cannot be left unchallenged.

talesin

I rarely post on my facebook about JW at all, but a couple of times a year, I will share a bit of crazy with my friends. This will be my first of 2016.

My Xtian friends will most likely say WTF? And my fellow atheists will be laughing. Thanks, I needed to do something this week. Reading about another victim of this DEATH CULT, 25 years old! I can't take any more. I just can't. xx tal

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new here but old

by mattishere in

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hi everyone, it's me, matthew hill.

long time, about 6+ years........ .

used to post as revmalk.

talesin

Hi! Chris hasn't been on in a long while, unless he has a new screen name.

Good to see you, hope you are okay. xx tal

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Computer Techies - Question

by ShirleyW in

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this laptop of mine will be a month old this week, i don't even know how many help desk calls i've made for certain things, but today, as the same thing happened just two weeks ago they ran the cleaner and malwarebytes and lord know what else.

so every two weeks is this what i have to look forward with the new laptop?

i know they say to be careful of the sites you go to, which are the same sites i went to on the old nine year old laptopthat runs the almost outdated vista, never had to call in just about every other week for that one, btw, it's windows 10 and mostly use firefox on the new one..

talesin

Even though they *say* Windows Defender works, it SUCKS. So get a better anti-virus (AVG is my choice, too).

And what Cappy said - Chrome + AdBlocker will get rid of the ads. Some sites won't let you access, but you can decide to allow site-by-site if you choose.

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"Even if it isn't the truth, it's still the best way to live"

by Simon in

have you heard that old chestnut?

i have.. typically it's the last resort when you have dismantled a jws beliefs and they have no way of defending them.

they know they are beat so they come out with that one.. its effectively an admission that you are right and they have no argument but they are still going to attend meetings because they like the social club.. what a lame way to defend your faith..

talesin

Magnum, okay, I see the 'maybe', and thanks for the reply. So, I raised the question, and yeah, it's debatable. We didn't even touch on it being a death cult (blood transfusions) and their institutionalized hatred of gays and lesbians.

It's tough - but for me, neither the R&F nor the rule-makers can take *any* sort of high moral ground. Nope.

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If you went back in time, would you be a god?

by Simon in

we just finished watching outlander which is about a woman who goes back in time ~200 years from the end of wwii.

she ends up in the scottish highlands in the middle of the jacobite uprising.

it's a great show although the last episodes were a little graphic (they make game of thrones seem like sesame street).. but it got me thinking ... if you went back in time would you in fact be the 'god' you may imagine because of your knowledge of modern technology and the future?.

talesin

Claire was lucky in that as a nurse of the time, she had skills in caring for wounds and other such things that made her useful. The books were awesome, haven't watched season 2 of the series yet, but OY OY OY, they are doing a great job.

I'd rather be like Lisa Simpson and have my very own world (petri dish). : D

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Did you KNOW Ray and Cynthia or the legal copyright holder? Only a few maybe had limited contact.

by blondie in

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i have known all of them over the last 15 years, talked at length with them, and knew what their wishes were, the copyright holder and spouse spent even more time with them socially and helping them set up their arrangements for when ray and cynthia passed.

i don't believe that anyone else on this board or others was a confidant.

there is no need to prove it to anyone but the copyright office which is satisfied with this.

talesin

There's a copy at my public library. Don't other English-speaking countries have libraries?

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"Even if it isn't the truth, it's still the best way to live"

by Simon in

have you heard that old chestnut?

i have.. typically it's the last resort when you have dismantled a jws beliefs and they have no way of defending them.

they know they are beat so they come out with that one.. its effectively an admission that you are right and they have no argument but they are still going to attend meetings because they like the social club.. what a lame way to defend your faith..

talesin

DY - The fact is, that if you only socialize with 'work friends', you are not choosing friends by common interest. You are in another forced situation. It can't be compared to having the freedom to associate freely with people we may personally relate to, and can be found in special interest clubs, the gym, volunteering jobs, and yes, at work..

Magnum - You think the JWS live a more 'moral' lifestyle, really? Did your fingers just type that? They are no different - smokers, tons of alcoholics, drug users, and adulterers - they just hide it, and hang out in their own little cliques. Secret's safe with them! The 'good' JWS often have not a clue of what's really going on.