Yeah, narcs are so dangerous. And there a lot of drug pushers with the letters "MD" after their names. It only takes weeks of necessary painkillers to cause addiction, and until recent years, many doctors were too free with their Rx pads. Like you said, Fink, uber-rich celebs are usually surrounded by sycophants, especially those who seemed to have had traumatic childhoods. Essentially, they are the same as everyone else who wishes to blot out pain.
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Here is what kind of person (Prince) a celebrity JW is
by Terry inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lhcparuzpc
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Here is what kind of person (Prince) a celebrity JW is
by Terry inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lhcparuzpc
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talesin
I think the real compelling story here is why did a person who had to be rushed to a hospital under dire physical health distress, die abruptly only a few days later on ?
Perhaps, but certainly not unusual. Here's a list of celebs, most quite talented and extremely successful people, who died from prescription drug overdoses. Tragic? Yes. Surprising? Not so much.
Marilyn Monroe, Judy Garland, Elvis Presley, Michael Jackson, Keith Moon, Brian Epstein, Chris Farley (morphine + cocaine = speedball), Corey Haim, Heath Ledger, Dana Plato, Anna Nichol Smith, Margaux Hemingway.
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Here is what kind of person (Prince) a celebrity JW is
by Terry inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lhcparuzpc
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talesin
We also forget that Prince (a) knew Larry Graham at least for 40 years (since he was 17), (b) grew up in extreme dysfunction, (c) was a gifted musician, who played many insruments, (d) remembered by high school acquaintances as soft-spoken and gentle. He acted out sexually as an adult. It's likely that Graham was a father figure to him. Like many late-life converts, Prince knew bits and pieces of the JWS for most of his life.
It's well documented (in interviews) that when he changed his name back to Prince in 1999 (contract was done), that is the time he started studying 'for real' with Graham, who was (may still be) a JW elder. A father figure. In the early otts, Prince married a JW beauty, young, was baptized (probably dunked first). Several years later, he divorced. Was it scriptural? How important was it to this person, to keep Graham, a father-figure, in his life?Also, he had the example of Graham, who is still revered as a pioneering funk artist for originating the slap-bass method he used when he played with Sly and the Family Stone (which many artists have used over the decades), and continues to be a successful, professional musician.
We are very kind to double-lifers who stay 'in' because of their family. In the very criticism of Prince's being treated 'special' by the WTS, you do the same thing. You hold him to a higher standard than you do elders and pubs who post on this DB. He was not an elder pioneer, or Bethelite. Why do you hold him to a higher standard?
It's part of the human condition, that we like to feel superior. It really shows when issues like this come up. I am reading a lot of jealousy and misplaced judgment, imo.
Edit and Postscript:
I have felt sorry for this gifted artist, ever since I 'heard the news' 15 years ago. It saddened me that the cult finally had its claws in this person who was obviously damaged, and now seeking meaning in his life. They took advantage of another needy soul, that's all. He just happened to be famous. xx
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Here is what kind of person (Prince) a celebrity JW is
by Terry inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lhcparuzpc
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talesin
As said by the original poster of this comment, it's either/or. The 'or' has been proven true. What's your point?
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MJ was DF'ed in the 80's. Or disassociated.
Here is the preamble to a copy of the above letter on JWFacts. (I consider that is a trusted source ; ) It appears that Michael, according to JWFacts, disassociated himself, as stated in the conversation posted above, and the letter from the WTS.
http://jwfacts.com/watchtower/experiences/michael-jackson-jehovah.php
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In 1987, Michael disassociated himself from the Watchtower Society.
Michael's decision to leave the church puzzled his mother, Katherine, and caused her great despair. Katherine wasn't sure she knew her own son any longer. However, there was no discussing the spiritual matter with him - literally. As it is strictly prohibited for a Witness to discuss matters of faith with ex-members, even if they are family, Katherine says that she has never asked Michael what happened, and she says that she never intends to ask such questions. 'I was not required to "shun" my son,' she claimed, referring to rumours of that nature. 'But we can't talk about matters of faith any longer, which is a shame.'" Michael Jackson: The Magic and the Madness p.363
The publicity surrounding Michael's disassociation promoted the Watchtower headquarters to send the following letter to the Body of elder's and Circuit Overseers explaining how to reply to questions."At this same time, the Jehovah's Witnesses' elders in Woodland Hills, California, began pressuring Michael again. They felt strongly that the recent publicity on the Witnesses was doing them great damage, and that it reflected poorly on the Witnesses, because Michael was so representative of the faith. Michael was becoming disenchanted with the church's elders by this time, mostly because he didn't wan to be told what to do. What's more he couldn't reconcile his lifestyle and career with the religion's strict tenets. In truth, it's almost impossible to be a Jehovah's Witness and be an entertainer. Therefore, in the spring of 1987, Michael withdrew from the Jehovah's Witnesses. A letter from the Jehovah's Witnesses headquarters in Brooklyn, New York, sent as a press release, stated that the organization 'no longer considers Michael Jackson to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses.' Gary Botting, author of The Orwellian World of Jehovah's Witnesses and a Witness himself, said that leaving the religion is 'worse than being disfellowshipped, or kicked out." He observed, 'if you wilfully reject God's holy organization on earth, that's the unforgivable sin, the sin against the Holy Spirit.'
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Has Anybody Hear a Rumour That Prince Died?
by cofty inwhy do people care so much about celebrities?
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I admire a lot of people, but you will never find me on the floor of a Sam's Club singing Purple Rain! That is dedication! And her tears look so ... real!
That is cra-cra, Wild Thing. I checked her crowdfunding page, and almost $1800.00 already raised. "The people of Wal-Mart" seem to live in a different world.
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The Rebel - mayflowers will be out SOON, and they have the best fragrance of any flower. Love them. Feel compassion for their deaths, because many people pull them out by the roots instead of cutting, and they are not endangered, but 'at risk'. xx
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super heros
by Gratefullyunstuck inafter reading the content of the 1 day assembly on another post, please tell me wt are trying to suggest members cant follow super hero movies/characters etc.
the whole of my ex family wouldnt have a life if this happened!
surely a wake up call for them....... but doubt it
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CaptainSchmideo - I did not know that, very cool. *cracks whip* : D
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To Continue the Theme of All Things Prince ... The Dirty Songs List
by Wild_Thing inlink is here.. line outapr 18, 2013. .
"an incomplete and disorderly catalog of prince's dirty songs".
by kelly o. .
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1999! What an orgasmic celebration of hedonism. "Baby, you're much too fast." Always made me feel like dancing, even on my worst days. x
** still does! : D
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Lets hear what your local needs was about this week
by dbq407 inours started out with matt.
25:23. he brought out that "good and faithful slave" was talking about the anointed but wait for it.........yes the principle can be applied to our cong.
well tonight it was about getting all the territories worked once a year.
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don't we want to be called "good and faithful slave"?
No, we want to be called "free".
The whole concept is flawed, and they accept it. I just . don't. get it - and never did. Phew, thank the IPU! -
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what sort of reactions have you gotten when talking to other jw when telling them the "truth about the truth"?
by AmIright inits funny ive read some stories on here about how they have become so infuriated by what logic dictates as being true and their own denying of it because it completely screws up their belief and shows how hypocritical it is xd some look like a nuclear reactor about to blow xd.
share you experiences here :) .
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It's only been my parents. Their denial had that extra sprinkling of guilt ... "our perfect daughter and now she is a filthy hippy and mentally diseased apostate ,,, and she's divorced, the HORROR! It's just not the done thing in our family." But I am the crazy one, not them.. oh no.
I'm with Calvin & Hobbes on this one.
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As far as the fam is concerned, I destroyed their Pleasantville.
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Any thought behind your " Avatar"
by The Rebel ini think that's the correct phrase?
anyway when i first came here, that little picture that "the rebel" hides behind, was a self portrait of a very sad man, who simply had too much knowledge.
now i feel after 7 months here, i should repaint that " avetor" give some happiness to the eyes, and a contented smile to the lips.. in short my " avetor" was a self portrait of a man with too much knowledge.
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Stan livedeath - ahaha! I love that license plate; must show my flatmate. And I am so bad at anagrams, that is gonna bug the hell out of me.
Great topic!
