Posts by badolputtytat

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Need proof please!

by fairy in

i made a previous post about me opening my big mouth...............i posted a message on another site making comments that some of you here made in trying to help me say something back to him... below is a copy of his answer to me.

the bold type is the other guy and the normal print is mine............................................. first of all i just want to go back to something you said in the 1st part of this message about the abuse victims....you said..."the elders in the congreation said that this is all a lie.

well, do you mean every last case?

badolputtytat

Well now we really don’t know that this has happened in Mexico now, do we?

.... and "we" are not GOING to know, unless "we" are willing to do some investigation OUTSIDE of what the elders deem as "permitted".

Hi Fairy,

First off, if you are going to have an effect on this guy, you will have to get him to think for himself. Using statements like..."oh, well you are not allowed to investigate that topic for yourself, so we cannot really discuss it intelligently". Don't "try too hard".... give him just enough to get curious about.

Secondly... I find that BLONDIE does a lot of hard-core research. If you go through her Post history, and read here "comments you will not hear" posts... you will find MUCH useful information. (thanx Blondie).

Best of luck.... but I hope you are doing some thorough research, before tangling with this peck. Remember... he BELIEVES in what he is saying. It is usually a waste of time to argue with them though... they have to sort of reach the point of doubt on their own.... otherwise, they are just Borg.

---puttytat

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Ever get the feeling your just not "normal"?

by logansrun in

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even when i was a dub i felt this way.

i mean, i would just stand there at gatherings and feel that i was in my own world -- that, somehow, everyone else was "in" and i was "out.

" i never felt this way at formal gatherings -- meetings, assemblies, etc -- only in most social settings.

badolputtytat

I don't "get" the feeling.... I live with the feeling. Don't think, that just because you are a little anti-social at times, that you are a "nerd"... maybe this will make you feel better:

*I am a "night person". At any given early morning hour you are very likely to find me perched in a tree top, playing the flute, fifty feet from the ground. I AM bat-man.

*only in the last five years, have I had very much human contact beyond my wife. I DO wear shoes now, but find them uncomfortable.

*my wife is British. When her English friends come to visit..... the first thing they usually say when they see me is... "what on earth is he doing?"... (for years I thought of this as their ignorance...now I understand.... they REALLY want to know.)

*Do you know why people go to movies?, out to dinner?, on vacation,? or ... Have conversations with each other????

**** Well I DON'T know why. I don't get it.*****

I have said this on here before.... when my wife wakes up in the middle of the night, and finds that I am not in bed.... she walks out into the woods, looks up, and whispers... "hey... are you up there?" ..

,,,,,,,,, and I usually am.

Normal? ummm .......... nope.

But I have learned to fake it monkey see, monkey do.

--------puttytat

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JW LEGAL POLL - Brief Update

by Amazing in

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i have pm'd all participants from my 2001 pedophile poll who knew of one or more molesters or victims.

i may have pm'd some more than once, because after about 50 or 60 pms i got a little goofy ... sorry ... anyway, i have some more points for you:.

even if you live outside the usa, the attorney may still want to e-mail you because i believe they are trying to validate the poll for future data use ... or we may need to conduct another validated poll.

badolputtytat

My answer is in the mail Amazing. I would be happy to write a more detailed summary if needed

Dear Goon from the Watchtower who monitors this board,

NYAH NYAH NAH-NYAH NAH *sticks my toungue out*

Monitor this! *makes gesture*

--puttytat

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A question for those familiar with Bethel Policy and Child Molestation??

by badolputtytat in

i cannot go into great detail just yet, because a lot of what i have going with my family hinges on what will happen on the weekend of october 10th.

a short background of this topic before the question: at a very young age.

very young i was sexually abused, by more than one member of our congregation.

badolputtytat

Thank you Alan F. and Phantom,

Alan, what you say, is as I guessed. (but had no foundation) From what I remember of him, he and his family, seemed to be the type that would "admit" such things, in the name of concience. Perhaps not realizing it would "work against" him.

I was only informed of this "rejected application" as a matter of my "guilt". My father (the elder) seemed at first to "take my side" but made several curious statements.....

1. That this person was willing to forgive me.

2. That I could not be held DIRECTLY responsible, for his being rejected by the Bethel arrangement.

3. The congregation did not hold a grudge with ONLY me.

amazing.... I sent you a short e-mail... I am more than willing.

Just an afterthought......, including the three Adult Males that I "encountered" between the ages of 4? and 10..... I do not believe that I had ANY contact with other male children outside of the normal congregation activities, that did not include this type of "experimentation".

Did any others here experience this? (in whole or part)

p.s. I am married with a 12 year old son. I am soon to travel (to another state) to meet with the family members that control the estate. They wish me to attend the meetings there WITH my son. I have admittedly aquired much literature by telling my family that I need "teaching materials" for my son. (part of my deception) In reality, I have shielded him from any information they send me. In short... I have my back against the wall right now with that. My "deception" hinges on this.

Thanks for any suggestions,

Puttytat

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A question for those familiar with Bethel Policy and Child Molestation??

by badolputtytat in

i cannot go into great detail just yet, because a lot of what i have going with my family hinges on what will happen on the weekend of october 10th.

a short background of this topic before the question: at a very young age.

very young i was sexually abused, by more than one member of our congregation.

badolputtytat

Thank you for your comments.... As I understand it, this was his own admission. I sense from the conversation with my father, that my "friend" (we are not aquainted since my leaving) volunteered this information himself, based on a line of "questioning" ??

The first time he volunteered this information was after my "disappearance". (I left at twelve, a missing child, avoiding social-services until adult-hood) . Apparently this "admission" on his part was recorded as "official" and years later when he applied to Bethel the issue was raised again.

Have any suggestions or theory as to why this application process with Bethel, would be so detailed? I mean, do they ask you questions like this when you apply? "Have you as a child engaged in this type of activity?" or :

Here we have a classic example of a twisted crime, a star chamber, notes being taken, forwarded to the society and noted on the database. Regardless of any justice, rhyme or reason an entry has been made to use against victims TO PROTECT THE SOCIETY.

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????? (a thought provoking suggestion above)

Thanks Mizpah for the support.... but I in NO WAY see this as some horrible thing. I would have chosen no other out-come.... I GOT AWAY!!!!...... The relationship with the "mother" who raised me until my disappearance IS very important to me. Which is why all the research and questions.... I need just one thing to break this thing. The "inheritance" is only of importance to me, because of the family I have now.... and the fact that I do not wish to see this Estate become an ASSET of the Watchtower, Bible, and Tract Society.... which is exactly what is about to happen.

Thank you again,

Puttytat

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Off for my surgery

by Lady Lee in

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friends

well i am just waiting for my ride and then i will be off.

hope the results are good of the biopsy although i might not find out today.

and yesterday i bought myself two canes - one sleek brass colored folding cane and the other a standard purple floral number weehoo.

badolputtytat

((((Lee)))))

My thoughts and appreciation go with ya.

smile

---puttytat

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biggest WTBTS threat

by stillajwexelder in

sorry if there has already been a thread on this subject.

do you think a really big threat to the wtbts is from people like me who are still witnesses and in the organization but also post on this board and have an open mind -- or do you think there are bigger threats -and if so what would they be?

badolputtytat

Hi stillajwexelder, I agree with the ones that say that information and exposure are perhaps the greatest "threat" to the society.

But.......you said this:

Do you think a really big threat to the WTBTS is from people like me who are still witnesses and in the organization

Perhaps an equal or even greater threat would be, if you stopped wearing that label. Even if only in private or here (among friends).... The greatest victory would be for YOU.

I remember a Star Trek episode where they captured a Borg (I, Borg) where they were going to program him with the ability to think for himself and be independent. They were then going to send him back so he could infect the rest.----dmouse

Stop saying "WE" and start saying "I". You no longer have your "designation".... you have your IDENTITY as an individual. You are ~~third of five~~ HUE.

I finally just stopped attending because I had such a critical view of everything that was going on. I couldn't stand it a moment longer.

See.... you KNOW. You .... SEE IT for yourself. *but I do understand the family reasons*

I wish you the best

Resistance is NOT futile

--puttytat

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A question for those familiar with Bethel Policy and Child Molestation??

by badolputtytat in

i cannot go into great detail just yet, because a lot of what i have going with my family hinges on what will happen on the weekend of october 10th.

a short background of this topic before the question: at a very young age.

very young i was sexually abused, by more than one member of our congregation.

badolputtytat

Thanx everyone for the replies. Tink, I got your e-mail, and I will write you as soon as I get home from the office (((( Tink)))))

You need to be very careful as these posts are monitored, please do not reveal anymore information.... --Caspian

I have battled with that for months. I have been unable to post anything really serious, due to exactly what you said. I know from experience, that this thing IS monitored, and the things you say on here CAN come back to you later on. (even the pictures I have posted on here, are a little mis-leading *purposely*)

Chris... You are (as usual) such an encouragement. I was never able to accept "victim" status, and I am so greatful for the things I have learned in my life after leaving this terrible organization.

The latest developement is that this person (who was rejected by Bethel) has been told that he is not a victim of the elder.... but of ME.... (keep in mind we were both children)... It has been explained that this was no longer "experimentation" because it happened more than once, and since I am the one who left the organization.... I feel like they are using this as some sort of twisted "scape-goat". The offending elder is now an old man. They both attend the same congregation.

I can't say much more for now. Other than "thank you". I will contact some of you soon. I have kept up with the posts concerning Abuse.

Thanx again.... I am going to be late for work...

---puttytat

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A question for those familiar with Bethel Policy and Child Molestation??

by badolputtytat in

i cannot go into great detail just yet, because a lot of what i have going with my family hinges on what will happen on the weekend of october 10th.

a short background of this topic before the question: at a very young age.

very young i was sexually abused, by more than one member of our congregation.

badolputtytat

until October 10th, I can take NO ACTION. Very important. My original goal here is only to be allowed to see my mother again.... to "help" her die peacefully. (they won't let me near her) After that... you bet, I will be stirring up some trouble about this....

For now, I just need to know why Bethel would reject someone based on their childhood abuse.

But thank you very much Avishai.... I will definitely be contacting you very soon I just have to be very careful... I was "busted" on here once before.

thanx again

puttytat

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A question for those familiar with Bethel Policy and Child Molestation??

by badolputtytat in

i cannot go into great detail just yet, because a lot of what i have going with my family hinges on what will happen on the weekend of october 10th.

a short background of this topic before the question: at a very young age.

very young i was sexually abused, by more than one member of our congregation.

badolputtytat

I cannot go into great detail just yet, because a lot of what I have going with my family hinges on what will happen on the weekend of October 10 th .

A short background of this topic before the question: At a very young age…. VERY young… I was sexually “abused”, by more than one member of our congregation. Including a family member. By the age of ten, this was to me, considered “normal” behavior…. I neither saw it as “abuse” nor “deviant”…. But just the way things worked.

Between the ages of seven and ten, I not only engaged in “sexual activity” with another male from the congregation, but he as well was abused by adult members.

Both he and I, have families now (wives and children)…. I ran away at twelve, never to be a part of the organization again…. HE stayed. A full time Pioneer, eventually an elder, Blah Blah Blah….

Question: He is approximately thirty years old now.

He recently applied to Bethel… and his application was REJECTED based on the fact that he and I (at the age of ten) engaged in “homo-sexual” activity???? The Person(s) that “abused” both he and I, are still ACTIVE members, and in one case… an elder.

I do not understand why they would turn his application down based on this. ??? Does anyone know the “current light” on this topic? I am in no hurry. I won’t face the “tribunal” that awaits me until October. I have tricked my family into believing that I am willing to return to the organization, in order to be allowed to be with my terminally ill mother. I am to make my “final Plea” on the weekend of October 10 th . (if she lives that long). With most of my JW family near death…. This will be my last chance at my inheritance, and closure.

I no longer look for this to work out in my favor. After my mother is dead, all bets are off with with this organization. *edit threats of violence* But I really do not know how to go about fighting this part of it.

Your input would be appreciated.

---dumbolputtytat