from bbc news "five jw's from the kirov region detained with about $ 7,500 accused of funding and organizing meetings....they found literature...and two hand granades and a landmine".
the russians are such idiots planting evidence....and quarrelling with the neutral and sheepish jw land...and of course inflamating their persecution complex.
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and just for fun - a video about Russian Orthodox pseudo-church headed by a KGB/FSB agent from a Russian underground punk-rock band:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4HfSbqlj-k
I guess it should be clear even for those who don't know a word in Russian.
from bbc news "five jw's from the kirov region detained with about $ 7,500 accused of funding and organizing meetings....they found literature...and two hand granades and a landmine".
the russians are such idiots planting evidence....and quarrelling with the neutral and sheepish jw land...and of course inflamating their persecution complex.
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How ironical - the Russian Orthodox so called 'church' that throughout decades used to blame jdubs to be a 'sect' has now become an Orthodox sect itself. Good news! - even despite it has been a KGB pseudo-church since its very founding by Stalin in 1943.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/15/russian-orthodox-church-cuts-ties-with-constantinople
there were numerous objections and claims that watchtower lawyers made to try and get out of being held responsible for their negligence and malice.
here’s the juicy ones:.
montana is a mandatory reporting state, but watchtower lawyers claimed that the law for reporting abuse only applies to “individuals” and they are “corporations”.
minimus: I strongly suspect that pretty soon, they'd be experiencing a serious barrel-bottom-scraping shortfall of vital "qualified brothers" needed to run the Org at the grassroots level
I don't think the pedophile are THAT wide-spread. I suggest it's more because of fear for spoiling the 'holy org' image and getting bad media coverage.
from bbc news "five jw's from the kirov region detained with about $ 7,500 accused of funding and organizing meetings....they found literature...and two hand granades and a landmine".
the russians are such idiots planting evidence....and quarrelling with the neutral and sheepish jw land...and of course inflamating their persecution complex.
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OrphanCrow: Thank you for your vote of confidence - 1% is better than nothing.
Forgive me if I'm being over-suspicious - believe me, I haven't been joking about meeting hundreds of pro-Russian paid/sincere trolls, and I hope you're sincere here.
I wouldn't say Soviet era life is a very fun topic to examine - although it might be interesting for those who've never lived under that regime. For the outsiders, it's quite hard to understand what it really was like - because of the time passed, because of history falsifications, human's memory deceitfullness, etc.
One of the best and funniest way to get a feel of what it was like is to read Soviet times anecdotes (short jokes - so truthful that Soviet citizens could easily get 10 years of imprisonment for spreading them).
I'd advice trying to read this one (it contains details you can hardly find elsewhere):
http://www.lib.ru/ANEKDOTY/anec1001.txt
Other than that, Russia today is not much different from the USSR (and is quite proud of that) - in many respects is even worse, the better part being that it is more open to the world (they're working on bringing it down gradually) and has more modernized/open economy/market - which evidently stops them from blatant acts of violence like performing 20th century-style genocides and massive repressions.
from bbc news "five jw's from the kirov region detained with about $ 7,500 accused of funding and organizing meetings....they found literature...and two hand granades and a landmine".
the russians are such idiots planting evidence....and quarrelling with the neutral and sheepish jw land...and of course inflamating their persecution complex.
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That's exactly what every pro-Russian propagandist says - believe me or not, I have an eye of 'em (after seeing hundreds of them online and offline during the last years, when they literally flooded the Web). If it were not the english-speaking ex-jw community, I would be 100% percent sure you're one of them, and wouldn't even care to discuss anything with you. But since I can't think of a reason why they could be interested in this type of a board - I allow about 1% that you could do it just out of your own initiative, being influenced by that propaganda.OrphanCrow:
I try to maintain a non-biased approach - I like to find out what is really happening rather than just what western media and the org reports.
...I am more interested in accuracy rather than in taking sides purely based on a pre-conceived political notion
OrphanCrow:
Just because the info I present doesn't fit your narrative doesn't mean I am defending the Russian authorities.
I don't know you, and have nothing against you personally - but that's exactly what you do for quite a while.
I also wonder what's my narrative that is not accurate?
P.S.: I personally know active jdubs from Russia, so I have some idea of what's going on there at the moment, too (I wouldn't trust jwforum.eu much - because the people who gained controlled over it are pretty far from being trustworthy and non-biased).
from bbc news "five jw's from the kirov region detained with about $ 7,500 accused of funding and organizing meetings....they found literature...and two hand granades and a landmine".
the russians are such idiots planting evidence....and quarrelling with the neutral and sheepish jw land...and of course inflamating their persecution complex.
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To me, everything is clear with these nonsensical accusations and bullying jdubs in Russia (they're actually just one of the groups experiencing persecution - and far not the severest, BTW - from the authorities). The only thing that makes me wonder is what's the Orphan Crow's interest in protecting Russian authorities almost in every thread where Russia's mentioned? How in the world can he know of some no-name Russian-language website mentioning the things he (just accidentally) needs to play Russia's advocate?
from bbc news "five jw's from the kirov region detained with about $ 7,500 accused of funding and organizing meetings....they found literature...and two hand granades and a landmine".
the russians are such idiots planting evidence....and quarrelling with the neutral and sheepish jw land...and of course inflamating their persecution complex.
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I struggle to think of a reason they would plant such things.
You probably just have little idea of what's going on in Russia. They can come up with ideas 10 times crazier than WT stuff and do 'flip-flops' in their bold-faced lies 10 times a day. Governing Body can only dream about that level of brainwashing and deceipt.
Just for a quick reference - scroll through the Russian's versions of why it wasn't them who downed MH-17 in 2014, why it wasn't them who invaded Ukraine, why it wasn't their spies in Salisbury , etc.
Further, there is nothing new in that type of Russian's police behaviour: just check what the Russian occupational administration's 'police' in Eastern Ukraine have done with JWs (spoiler - virtually, the same thing):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X8T3AXZJBY?t=152
this has been mentioned in passing but it seems to deserve its own thread.. this year at the rc, no releases.
instead they wait to drop them at the annual meeting which isnt a even simulcast event.
what is their thinking?
I'd vote for the 'money' reason for the change. Looks like they try to save every cent these days - and at the Regional conventions (RC) lots of hard copies goes to guests (mostly, for nothing), and to every JW present - while not every jdub will bother to order those hard copies via the cong. I'd guess for about 20%-40% saving of hard copies. Which adds up to a pretty decent number if taken worldwide - at least several if not dozens $$ millions (maybe, even enough for one of the child abuse trial expenses).
1) throughout the whole article jw's were being told not to believe or pass on everything they hear, but to examine the information to prove whether it was true or not.. 2) throughout the whole article jw's were being told not to listen to or look into any information or challenges which sounded negative about the org.. mind-numbed jw's will be leaving their kh's today wondering, "do i try and prove to myself and others that that what has been said is definitely a lie, (1 timothy 4:1; 1 peter 3:15;1 john 4:1) or do i totally ignore it and believe everything the org tells me is true?
" (proverbs 14:15).
cult-training in full flow..
I've been to this WT study - it really was a joke overall. But the comments are 100% Orwellian, hardcore jdubs sharing their experience about meeting 'evil apostate lies' online and how they were horrified and later victoriously rejected them, etc.
No red flags rosen for anyone, no confusion - nothing.
i just wanted to share with you the thoughts that i've had lately.. my plan was to get a job, become independent and then leaving the org throughout this year 2018. i'm going to achieve the first step in a matter of weeks, the second one soon afterwards but maybe i will wait a little longer for the last one.. one year ago a friend of mine was reinstated.
we weren't very close friends back then, although we got along well.
but, since no many jws in my town want to hang out with him (because of his being a former disfellowshipped), we started to talk and go out more often and in a matter of half a year we've become very close friends, like brothers.
Thanks for sharing, paradiseseeker!
You're in no way obliged to make any move like leaving the borg officially. It depends on many things.
My only advice would be to avoid attracting others to the borg (it's anyway hard these days - but who knows...) to save'em from potential harm, and to avoid starting romantic relations with PIMI girls - but I suppose you know that yourself (looks like you've got thing planned very well).
Good luck and keep us posted!
