Posts by stillMS

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Commuter Bethelite video

by no-zombie in

for those who missed last weeks clam meeting, there was a video played that was amazing ... however not in good way.. we are all aware how thousands of full time bethelites world wide got the boot and put out onto the street.

some having giving most of their lives to the organization, but often with no real way to support themselves other than to depend on the generosity of others.

so when this video talked about how special it would be for those who could step up and become a commuter bethelite, it made me think how calculating the governing body must be.

stillMS

I was there this week - it was really absolutely hillarious!

Not only the point with 'freelance' bethelites, but the host broda also said something like "We have 89 Bethels now, and we need more money to build more Bethels worldwide" - LMAO. I was just like "WTF!", is he serious? But I haven't noticed even one eyebrow raised at the KH then :)

The video ended with 'Cheee-ee-ee-ze!" performance by free freelance Bethelites (or actors - who knows?).

https://youtu.be/P1U0q5NIuk0?t=3394

They're really crazy, their propaganda is so cheesy and straightforward - good for them that humans are that much prone to all sorts of crazy propaganda and BS.

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Did Ray Franz Help You To Get Out of “The Truth”?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i sneakily read his books at work.

it was written in such a way that no one could accuse him of being another bitter old apostate.. once it registered in my brain, especially after reading the second book, i knew i had to get out!.

stillMS

I've read a big portion of his CoC - it did explain some things, but I can't say it was of a big help for my waking up process. There's no bigger enemy for the WT than they themselves together with their policies and idiots serving as elders.

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12/31/2018 World-wide action “Escape from the watchtower" #escapefromthewatchtower

by AlexPancho in

good afternoon!

we are ex jehovah's witnesses.. in this video, we begin the world-wide action.

we call it action “escape from the watchtower”.. slavery in the united states was abolished on december 18, 1865. the fortress law in russia was abolished(аболиш) on february 19, 1861.. but jehovah's witnesses are still in captivity, in fear that they or their loved ones will ban communication through a procedure known as disfellowship.. we offer three easy steps to release:.

stillMS

@AlexPancho - got it, forgive me if I'm overly suspicious with everything dealing with Russians (as a Ukrainian, you should understand the reason behind it, I guess :) ).

I agree there is very little jw material in Russian that is unbiased and objective. BTW, if you need help with your activism in the Russian/Ukrainian field - I could probably be helping you in my spare time. Feel free to PM me if you feel like I can be of help.

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12/31/2018 World-wide action “Escape from the watchtower" #escapefromthewatchtower

by AlexPancho in

good afternoon!

we are ex jehovah's witnesses.. in this video, we begin the world-wide action.

we call it action “escape from the watchtower”.. slavery in the united states was abolished on december 18, 1865. the fortress law in russia was abolished(аболиш) on february 19, 1861.. but jehovah's witnesses are still in captivity, in fear that they or their loved ones will ban communication through a procedure known as disfellowship.. we offer three easy steps to release:.

stillMS

@AlexPancho - I've watched several videos on your channel: almost in each one of them you promote nekudaidti.com - which follows FSB and the Russian Orthodox (one of FSB departments, in fact) narrative.

Just look at the article showcased on its main page at the moment:

If it's not an FSB crap/BS - you tell me.

(TLDR; - the article goes in to lengths in comparing JWs ot Nazis, and pushing the idea that it was JWs who inspired the alleged young attacker in Kerch for mass murder. It's 100% bullsh%t - and there is no way any reasonable JW can trust a website promoting such stories)

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Did you enjoy your visit to Bethel?

by Addison0998 in

i recently had to take a trip with my family to bethel.

it was a bit torturous for a secret apostate as you can imagine.

but mostly just so boring.

stillMS

@sir82 - exactly my experience. Nothing to add except us given a video about bethel to watch.

From what I know, the only way to have a bit more fun is to be invited by your friend working at Bethel - in that case, you'll be allowed to walk around and see more (not too fun - but still smth. :) )

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12/31/2018 World-wide action “Escape from the watchtower" #escapefromthewatchtower

by AlexPancho in

good afternoon!

we are ex jehovah's witnesses.. in this video, we begin the world-wide action.

we call it action “escape from the watchtower”.. slavery in the united states was abolished on december 18, 1865. the fortress law in russia was abolished(аболиш) on february 19, 1861.. but jehovah's witnesses are still in captivity, in fear that they or their loved ones will ban communication through a procedure known as disfellowship.. we offer three easy steps to release:.

stillMS

AlexPancho - I don't have a way to tell who's behind your YT channel or the website, but from the content I see there, it looks like the authors are seriously influenced by Russian government propaganda (anti-cultist, pro-Orthodox, anti-USA, etc.).

It may work for the Russians who are also brainwashed by the same propaganda, but for the rest of the Russian-speaking JWs those ideas and aggressive, 'pushy' propaganda would most probably look weird and inattractive. Having some Ukrainians involved doesn't help the situation much.

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12/31/2018 World-wide action “Escape from the watchtower" #escapefromthewatchtower

by AlexPancho in

good afternoon!

we are ex jehovah's witnesses.. in this video, we begin the world-wide action.

we call it action “escape from the watchtower”.. slavery in the united states was abolished on december 18, 1865. the fortress law in russia was abolished(аболиш) on february 19, 1861.. but jehovah's witnesses are still in captivity, in fear that they or their loved ones will ban communication through a procedure known as disfellowship.. we offer three easy steps to release:.

stillMS

I guess everyone should walk his own way in this regard. Those who can leave without losing their families, will do it any day ASAP after waking up. But for the rest of us, trapped inside with our families, the way out is very individual and usually is much longer - depending on the circumstances.

Maybe, I'm paranoid, but there is smth suspicious in that ex-JWs Youtube channel and the site they promote (nekudaidti.com - kind of 'Whom Shall We Go Away To') - as it looks too much in accord with Russian government anti-JW propaganda and even wording.

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A Cult Tactic: Removing Guilt By Dehumanising Others

by pale.emperor in

in the real world, very few parents would disown their own children simply because they read a magazine that told them to do it.

very few people would forever completely ignore their own parents because an elder got up on a platform one day and announced that they no longer follow the same religion as you.. in the real world it just doesn't happen.

and yet, for 8 million jehovah's witnesses it's very a normal part of their world to treat "other people" differently than they'd treat each other.

stillMS

In the real world it just doesn't happen.

I wouldn't agree with that. The JDub propaganda is not smth. unique, and JWs don't abandon their family, etc just because of one magazine read - it's the result of a long-term influence/indoctrination. The same is true about other historical examples the OP mentions. People abandon their relatives (even give them to death) not in a JW world only - it happened/happens in many of the mainstream religions as well.

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The sinking of the Laconia two part BBC series

by smiddy3 in

i have just finished watching this program and found it quite disturbing in the sense that both sides of the war effort had so little regard for human life .. it might sound strange to say that in time of warfare when civilian casualties are rife on both sides ,however i think this is an exception.. except for the courage and heroic efforts of the german commander of the u-boat who tried and helped so many people to survive.. werner hartenstein.

his name should be honored by all the nationalities he saved.. and i was appalled by the americans who bombed the submarine on the surface of the water with a red cross flag in full view with civilians on deck and lifeboats in tow with many more civilians on board.. i think this was an exceptional incident in a time of war that both sides should have given way..

stillMS

I'm glad for you, smiddy3, that you're disturbed by the events happened almost a hundred years ago, but I guess there was really very little regard for human life in a war with 50+ million casualties. It was a cruel time, and massacre was not an exception those days.

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TV TRAILER: ‘Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath: The Jehovah’s Witnesses' Two Hour Special Event - A&E

by MaybeSo in

tv trailer: ‘leah remini: scientology and the aftermath: the jehovah’s witnesses' two hour special event - a&e, 9pm et/pt, tues, nov 13, 2018. https://youtu.be/yzdege5im90.

didn't see a post about it yet.

will you be tuning in?

stillMS

Lloyd's (aka John Cedars') videos have helped a lot in my waking up process. I can't say anything about the things he is blamed for here, I can only say I love his older videos more than the current ones (since he has turned his activism to a way of providing for himself) - they might be more 'professional', but lacking some sort of original 'sincerity' - if I could put it that way.