Posts by stillMS

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JW detained in Putin's Russia ... accused of extremism

by mikeflood in

from bbc news "five jw's from the kirov region detained with about $ 7,500 accused of funding and organizing meetings....they found literature...and two hand granades and a landmine".

the russians are such idiots planting evidence....and quarrelling with the neutral and sheepish jw land...and of course inflamating their persecution complex.

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stillMS

OrphanCrow:
I try to maintain a non-biased approach - I like to find out what is really happening rather than just what western media and the org reports.
...I am more interested in accuracy rather than in taking sides purely based on a pre-conceived political notion

That's exactly what every pro-Russian propagandist says - believe me or not, I have an eye of 'em (after seeing hundreds of them online and offline during the last years, when they literally flooded the Web). If it were not the english-speaking ex-jw community, I would be 100% percent sure you're one of them, and wouldn't even care to discuss anything with you. But since I can't think of a reason why they could be interested in this type of a board - I allow about 1% that you could do it just out of your own initiative, being influenced by that propaganda.

OrphanCrow:
Just because the info I present doesn't fit your narrative doesn't mean I am defending the Russian authorities.

I don't know you, and have nothing against you personally - but that's exactly what you do for quite a while.

I also wonder what's my narrative that is not accurate?

P.S.: I personally know active jdubs from Russia, so I have some idea of what's going on there at the moment, too (I wouldn't trust jwforum.eu much - because the people who gained controlled over it are pretty far from being trustworthy and non-biased).

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JW detained in Putin's Russia ... accused of extremism

by mikeflood in

from bbc news "five jw's from the kirov region detained with about $ 7,500 accused of funding and organizing meetings....they found literature...and two hand granades and a landmine".

the russians are such idiots planting evidence....and quarrelling with the neutral and sheepish jw land...and of course inflamating their persecution complex.

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stillMS

To me, everything is clear with these nonsensical accusations and bullying jdubs in Russia (they're actually just one of the groups experiencing persecution - and far not the severest, BTW - from the authorities). The only thing that makes me wonder is what's the Orphan Crow's interest in protecting Russian authorities almost in every thread where Russia's mentioned? How in the world can he know of some no-name Russian-language website mentioning the things he (just accidentally) needs to play Russia's advocate?

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JW detained in Putin's Russia ... accused of extremism

by mikeflood in

from bbc news "five jw's from the kirov region detained with about $ 7,500 accused of funding and organizing meetings....they found literature...and two hand granades and a landmine".

the russians are such idiots planting evidence....and quarrelling with the neutral and sheepish jw land...and of course inflamating their persecution complex.

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stillMS

I struggle to think of a reason they would plant such things.

You probably just have little idea of what's going on in Russia. They can come up with ideas 10 times crazier than WT stuff and do 'flip-flops' in their bold-faced lies 10 times a day. Governing Body can only dream about that level of brainwashing and deceipt.

Just for a quick reference - scroll through the Russian's versions of why it wasn't them who downed MH-17 in 2014, why it wasn't them who invaded Ukraine, why it wasn't their spies in Salisbury , etc.

Further, there is nothing new in that type of Russian's police behaviour: just check what the Russian occupational administration's 'police' in Eastern Ukraine have done with JWs (spoiler - virtually, the same thing):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X8T3AXZJBY?t=152

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New releases at annual meeting??

by _Morpheus in

this has been mentioned in passing but it seems to deserve its own thread.. this year at the rc, no releases.

instead they wait to drop them at the annual meeting which isnt a even simulcast event.

what is their thinking?

stillMS

I'd vote for the 'money' reason for the change. Looks like they try to save every cent these days - and at the Regional conventions (RC) lots of hard copies goes to guests (mostly, for nothing), and to every JW present - while not every jdub will bother to order those hard copies via the cong. I'd guess for about 20%-40% saving of hard copies. Which adds up to a pretty decent number if taken worldwide - at least several if not dozens $$ millions (maybe, even enough for one of the child abuse trial expenses).

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Today's Watchtower Study Article - 100% Double-Speak

by The Fall Guy in

1) throughout the whole article jw's were being told not to believe or pass on everything they hear, but to examine the information to prove whether it was true or not.. 2) throughout the whole article jw's were being told not to listen to or look into any information or challenges which sounded negative about the org.. mind-numbed jw's will be leaving their kh's today wondering, "do i try and prove to myself and others that that what has been said is definitely a lie, (1 timothy 4:1; 1 peter 3:15;1 john 4:1) or do i totally ignore it and believe everything the org tells me is true?

" (proverbs 14:15).

cult-training in full flow..

stillMS

I've been to this WT study - it really was a joke overall. But the comments are 100% Orwellian, hardcore jdubs sharing their experience about meeting 'evil apostate lies' online and how they were horrified and later victoriously rejected them, etc.

No red flags rosen for anyone, no confusion - nothing.

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I'm considering putting off my leaving

by paradiseseeker in

jw
friends

i just wanted to share with you the thoughts that i've had lately.. my plan was to get a job, become independent and then leaving the org throughout this year 2018. i'm going to achieve the first step in a matter of weeks, the second one soon afterwards but maybe i will wait a little longer for the last one.. one year ago a friend of mine was reinstated.

we weren't very close friends back then, although we got along well.

but, since no many jws in my town want to hang out with him (because of his being a former disfellowshipped), we started to talk and go out more often and in a matter of half a year we've become very close friends, like brothers.

stillMS

Thanks for sharing, paradiseseeker!

You're in no way obliged to make any move like leaving the borg officially. It depends on many things.

My only advice would be to avoid attracting others to the borg (it's anyway hard these days - but who knows...) to save'em from potential harm, and to avoid starting romantic relations with PIMI girls - but I suppose you know that yourself (looks like you've got thing planned very well).

Good luck and keep us posted!

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Can you disassociate on your last judicial committee for apostasy?

by jwdoctrine in

jw
friends

hi guys, i have been summoned to a judicial committee for apostasy.

i'm going to disassociate anyway but i don't want to miss the fun .i'm thinking of handing my letter of dissociation on the night of the committee.do you think this is a good idea?.

as i said i have already made my mind up.

stillMS

Make sure to post your committee to Youtube - to make even more fun ;)

Not sure the letter of disassociation would be a fun thing to do - unless you make it public in some way.

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Teenagers fascinated by the military

by SonoftheTrinity in

they seem to be rebelling by studying every aspect of the military behind their mother's back.

i tell them to keep their noses clean and become coasties if they must trod that path.

is this par for the course?.

stillMS

It's quite natural for the boys, I guess.

Overall, it's a satisfying and pleasant thing to be a pacifist, but the reality is cruel - and a country without military support will not last for long (at least it has been this way throughout all mankind history till nowadays).

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What is the current pulse in the organization with the reductions?

by SouthCentral in

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friends

i have not seen jehovah’s witnesses in my neighborhood for several years now.

it appears that the cart witnessing has taken over.

congregations are being consolidated and witnesses are being forced to travel a greater distance than before.the burdens/privileges of elders seem to be ever increasing!.

stillMS

Cart witnessing rules enforcement much depends on how hardcore the elders are at a given KH.

Actually, stupid rules (and their stupid implementation locally) about allowing one to take part in cart witnessing was one of many red flags in recent years that confirmed my decision to fade.

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What is the current pulse in the organization with the reductions?

by SouthCentral in

jw
friends

i have not seen jehovah’s witnesses in my neighborhood for several years now.

it appears that the cart witnessing has taken over.

congregations are being consolidated and witnesses are being forced to travel a greater distance than before.the burdens/privileges of elders seem to be ever increasing!.

stillMS

It depends on a person. There are still genuinely zealous jdubs (mostly sisters), especially in the areas 'where the need is great' or foreign groups; but overall trend is that people learn to 'doublethink' and not care much about the religion. The elders don't know the Bible well, even the Borg's interpretation - they mostly try to keep up with 'tight-pants style' instructions from GB and Bethel.