revelation 4, 5, 11 & 19 talk of twenty four elders, before the throne of god.. the wts interpretation has them as the anointed in heaven, but that just doesn't wash, as they are seen to be observers of events that apparently involve folks still on earth.
by their account they have 23.5 elders in heaven and half a body on the ground, so to speak.. any ideas who these are?.
(i have an speculation, which i'll mention later).
Gumby I got good chuckle out of the pet lion bit.....Lot let those two travelling salemen in (Selling wholesale destruction) then offered up his daughters to the men who wanted to see what else the salesmen had to offer(wink..wink) The salemen were angels who temporarily blinded the men (even though what they were attempting to do was punishable by death). Lot witnessed all this and would still rather live there? The area Abraham lived in must have really sucked.
Were just musing LT...
hey all,.
ok lovely, my very first post and i post a empty post.
got carried away with the tab key!
Hi Abbie wecome...I'm happy that you have CG as a support and a friend...
Take care
did you ever find yourself having to defend your faith, while at the same time knowing, that your arguments were not so good to begin with?
for example, a person might say,"you people don't take blood and believe in doctors.
" even if we might have doubts about the blood issue, we would still defend our "faith" as best as we could.
Yes all the time...One time someone cornered me and wouldn't stop pestering me about JW beliefs..so I calmly told him....*as the society always says never to argue*...... To FK off ...whew...and it worked....Jehovah must have put those words into my mouth cause I don't know where they came from.....does that count!
whatever your age, do you make friends and hang out only with people your age or will you hang around with people much older or much younger than you?.
mentally i must be quite young, because i love to hang around with people 10 to 15 years younger than me.. .
i never hang around with older than me, and rarely with people my age.
I'm a JW...I don't hang around with anyone...they are all part of the world don't ya know.
Usually + or - 15 years for the group I consider friends. Although most time is spent with a three year old.
revelation 4, 5, 11 & 19 talk of twenty four elders, before the throne of god.. the wts interpretation has them as the anointed in heaven, but that just doesn't wash, as they are seen to be observers of events that apparently involve folks still on earth.
by their account they have 23.5 elders in heaven and half a body on the ground, so to speak.. any ideas who these are?.
(i have an speculation, which i'll mention later).
I'd also scratch Aaron off the list...is he not the one who fashioned a Golden calf for false idol worship and in typical management style blamed the liitle people who were then killed while he moved on to become vice-president of the visible earthly organization at that time.
Daniel applied for the job-posting of chief or head of the magic practising priests of babylon...hardly seems like even a conscience matter to me...certainly not keeping free from Satan's organization.
And Haggai...come on that sounds to close to Haggis...... and you know there can't be any of that in Heaven
revelation 4, 5, 11 & 19 talk of twenty four elders, before the throne of god.. the wts interpretation has them as the anointed in heaven, but that just doesn't wash, as they are seen to be observers of events that apparently involve folks still on earth.
by their account they have 23.5 elders in heaven and half a body on the ground, so to speak.. any ideas who these are?.
(i have an speculation, which i'll mention later).
Valis and littletoe..... you know I think very highly of you both and but your scaring the FK out of me..... the list you are using to come up with the 24 elders
Aaron David Habakkuk Isaiah Malachi Obadiah Abraham Elihu Haggai Jacob Micah Samuel Amos Elijah Hosea Jeremiah Moses Zechariah Daniel Ezekiel Isaac Joel Noah Zephaniah
If you have read that fine literary accomplishment called The Finished Mystery realeased in 1917 by Joey Rutherford, you find pretty much the same list put forth by him and his cronies. Now there may be a few gems in that book but I'd rather wipe my butt with the Sears catalog than the Finished Mystery because the latter might give me crabs. If you have a copy dig it out and check into it...almost the same list. Now I know they probably got the idea from somewhere else because when God called out who wants brains they thought he said trains and they knew the Phrophet Nahum had already caught the train.
The last post mentions the seven stars or the seven angels...The FM said these were Tyndale, Luther...blah...blah...blah ending with C.T Russell.
revelation 4, 5, 11 & 19 talk of twenty four elders, before the throne of god.. the wts interpretation has them as the anointed in heaven, but that just doesn't wash, as they are seen to be observers of events that apparently involve folks still on earth.
by their account they have 23.5 elders in heaven and half a body on the ground, so to speak.. any ideas who these are?.
(i have an speculation, which i'll mention later).
Gumby you really are a heathen
Noah got caught naked by his sons after too much vino...and the only thing he had sex with was that good looking Lama on the Ark.....It was a year for gods sake.
Lot was the pervert who managed to grab a wine flask while being dragged out of Sodom and proceeded to have sex with his daughter.....which the bible does not seem to despise in this instance...like two daughters would ever have the discussion and plan to intoxicate thier daddy to have sex with him...ewwww that's just gross.
don't hold back.
whether it's an elder, a co, a family member, a friend, a witness who dobbed you in, someone who shunned you yesterday at the mall, anyone at all who you would like to tell!
vent!.
How about...Is that your face or did your pants fall down?
No really though..Please examine your own religion objectively first before asking other people to examine theirs!
next wednesday night at 8pm, will be shown on "r.d.i.
" (reseau de l'information) in quebec a 1 hour program on abuse by the jehovah witnesses.
this is what is written in the tv guide in french: .
Je me pel shotgun.....qui..qui.... ferme la porte on dos dere jehovah's
This makes three programs to air on JW molestation in Canada in the last month....WOW
I need to brush up on my french...I'm trying to convince frenchbabyface to give me private tutoring...
one of the cornerstones of jw's is counsel.
they just love to give counsel and many times they will literally make things up just for the sake of counsel.
i was once counselled for joking around too much.
You all missed the obvious relevence of me holding the baby of that disfellowshipped couple...
Can't you see....
It's so obvious.....
I only held that child for 30 minutes and yet here I am, the effects have finally turned me apostate
The council was a loving provision from JEHOVER the God of Abraham, Isaak, Jacob, Chuck and Joey *Hands outstreatched to Heaven*
The council was just too late to help me...
The child had already had a lasting effect on me...
Not to mention the smell of his poopy diaper which took days for me to forget about....
