Posts by jonahstourguide

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Watchtower Sudy 12 July.the Kings of North & South (from 05/20 issue)

by BluesBrother in

it is a challenge next sunday for them .

due to starting the convention programme the wt study will be a 30 minute run through ,and deals with this prophecy ... i doubt the younger ones are familiar with it at all bur oldies could debate it at length .we on the look out for the king of the north to enter "the land of decoration" (more to follow,maybe next week).

this article makes a grand claim in par 2.

jonahstourguide

@ Bobcat.

I wondered how long that translation, 'and' was there for the Hebrew word for 'but'.

I actually looked up in a copy of the old green study bible (circa 1953-1960) that my parents had and sure enough its as you stated in your above post.

I checked yesterday out of curiosity and was going to post it today!!

So, obviously it becomes more evident that the need of the NWT was to support Freddy and Co's philosophies.

I shared the information you provided including the bible hub site info ,which by the way I frequent on a daily basis, with a pimi associate and left him perplexed. His observation ...."the whole meaning is reversed to what the wt implies."

Oh well,, small steps and who knows?

jtg

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Watchtower Sudy 12 July.the Kings of North & South (from 05/20 issue)

by BluesBrother in

it is a challenge next sunday for them .

due to starting the convention programme the wt study will be a 30 minute run through ,and deals with this prophecy ... i doubt the younger ones are familiar with it at all bur oldies could debate it at length .we on the look out for the king of the north to enter "the land of decoration" (more to follow,maybe next week).

this article makes a grand claim in par 2.

jonahstourguide

@Bobcat

Read the link, great point that you make. Thank you.

Beers for Bobcat

jtg

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P. Ms Letter to non subscibers to Redress Scheme

by jonahstourguide in

spotted this article this morning.

i will try to post a link.. jtg.. australia.. institutions refusing to join the national redress scheme are "doubling down" on the crime of child sexual abuse, prime minister scott morrison says.. mr morrison and social services minister anne ruston have warned institutions they may lose funding and tax concessions if they fail to sign up by tuesday's deadline and will be named and shamed.. "all institutions are doing in not joining is doubling down on the crime and doubling down on the hurt," they said in a letter to 25 institutions.. "we consider it to be reprehensible that you have failed to sign up to the scheme.".

the jehovah's witnesses is among the organisations that has refused to sign up, arguing it does not have the institutional settings of other faith-based institutions that the redress scheme is designed to cover.. senator ruston is set to name the non-participating institutions on wednesday, when she will announce what action the federal government will take against them.. "we urge you to join the scheme not because of concerns about being identified, but because it is the right thing to do," the minister and mr morrison said.. "it is the right thing to do by survivors and their families and it is what every, decent, honest, australian demands.".

jonahstourguide

@joey jojo.

I think this may be the "Fairbridge" organisation mentioned in the ARC.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj2j5iO4q_qAhVz4jgGHezgBbMQqQIIUCgAMAg&url=https%3A%2F%2Fthewest.com.au%2Fnews%2Faustralia%2Fprinces-trust-sorry-for-australian-child-abuse-at-farm-schools-ng-b88535514z&usg=AOvVaw2lpIR3w6rIcGANnCexYhsa

Hope the link works.

jtg

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P. Ms Letter to non subscibers to Redress Scheme

by jonahstourguide in

spotted this article this morning.

i will try to post a link.. jtg.. australia.. institutions refusing to join the national redress scheme are "doubling down" on the crime of child sexual abuse, prime minister scott morrison says.. mr morrison and social services minister anne ruston have warned institutions they may lose funding and tax concessions if they fail to sign up by tuesday's deadline and will be named and shamed.. "all institutions are doing in not joining is doubling down on the crime and doubling down on the hurt," they said in a letter to 25 institutions.. "we consider it to be reprehensible that you have failed to sign up to the scheme.".

the jehovah's witnesses is among the organisations that has refused to sign up, arguing it does not have the institutional settings of other faith-based institutions that the redress scheme is designed to cover.. senator ruston is set to name the non-participating institutions on wednesday, when she will announce what action the federal government will take against them.. "we urge you to join the scheme not because of concerns about being identified, but because it is the right thing to do," the minister and mr morrison said.. "it is the right thing to do by survivors and their families and it is what every, decent, honest, australian demands.".

jonahstourguide

Here it is

Six institutions, including the Jehovah's Witnesses, have been publicly named by the Federal Government for failing to sign up to the National Redress Scheme for victims of institutional child sexual abuse.

Key points:

Organisations had until last night to join the program
The Government says those which did not sign up will no longer receive Commonwealth funding
380 non-government institutions have signed up or intend to sign up to the scheme

Organisations had until last night to join the program, with the Commonwealth promising to not only reveal those which refused to take part, but also cut them off from future federal funding and consider ways to cut their charitable status.

The six institutions are Australian Air League, Boys' Brigade NSW, Fairbridge Restored Limited, Lakes Entrance Pony Club, Jehovah's Witnesses and Kenja Communications.

There are 55 applications from victims of child sexual abuse that cannot currently be processed as a result of the six groups failing to sign up.

Social Services Minister Anne Ruston was scathing as she urged the organisations to think about the consequences of not joining.

"Think about the reputational damage by you saying, as an organisation, that despite having a history of working with children, despite having applications against your organisation for child sexual abuse, you still refuse to accept your moral obligation and responsibility to come forward and allow these people the small thing of a bit of redress and a small amount of money to acknowledge that they actually have had wrongs committed against them," she told the ABC's AM program.

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"I don't understand how any organisation can take that kind of course of action, so I'll be calling on them to actually rethink their position."

The Commonwealth and state and territory governments have all signed up to the scheme — covering any abuse that happened within their institutions.

In total, 224 non-government institutions have agreed to take part in the scheme, while another 156 have signalled their intention to join.

Jehovah's Witnesses argued it did not have the "institutional settings" needed to be covered by the National Redress Scheme.

"Jehovah's Witnesses understand that, to date, there have been less than 10 applicants to the redress scheme who have referred to the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses," the organisation's Tom Pecipajkovski told the ABC.

Exposing a national shame

The key moments that led to one of Australia's most shocking inquiries.

P. Ms Letter to non subscibers to Redress Scheme

by jonahstourguide in

spotted this article this morning.

i will try to post a link.. jtg.. australia.. institutions refusing to join the national redress scheme are "doubling down" on the crime of child sexual abuse, prime minister scott morrison says.. mr morrison and social services minister anne ruston have warned institutions they may lose funding and tax concessions if they fail to sign up by tuesday's deadline and will be named and shamed.. "all institutions are doing in not joining is doubling down on the crime and doubling down on the hurt," they said in a letter to 25 institutions.. "we consider it to be reprehensible that you have failed to sign up to the scheme.".

the jehovah's witnesses is among the organisations that has refused to sign up, arguing it does not have the institutional settings of other faith-based institutions that the redress scheme is designed to cover.. senator ruston is set to name the non-participating institutions on wednesday, when she will announce what action the federal government will take against them.. "we urge you to join the scheme not because of concerns about being identified, but because it is the right thing to do," the minister and mr morrison said.. "it is the right thing to do by survivors and their families and it is what every, decent, honest, australian demands.".

jonahstourguide

hi folks.

Just posted on ABC news Australia.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-01/government-names-shames-institutions-not-part-of-redress-scheme/12406850

jtg

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P. Ms Letter to non subscibers to Redress Scheme

by jonahstourguide in

spotted this article this morning.

i will try to post a link.. jtg.. australia.. institutions refusing to join the national redress scheme are "doubling down" on the crime of child sexual abuse, prime minister scott morrison says.. mr morrison and social services minister anne ruston have warned institutions they may lose funding and tax concessions if they fail to sign up by tuesday's deadline and will be named and shamed.. "all institutions are doing in not joining is doubling down on the crime and doubling down on the hurt," they said in a letter to 25 institutions.. "we consider it to be reprehensible that you have failed to sign up to the scheme.".

the jehovah's witnesses is among the organisations that has refused to sign up, arguing it does not have the institutional settings of other faith-based institutions that the redress scheme is designed to cover.. senator ruston is set to name the non-participating institutions on wednesday, when she will announce what action the federal government will take against them.. "we urge you to join the scheme not because of concerns about being identified, but because it is the right thing to do," the minister and mr morrison said.. "it is the right thing to do by survivors and their families and it is what every, decent, honest, australian demands.".

jonahstourguide

can't seem to get the link up

sorry

jtg

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P. Ms Letter to non subscibers to Redress Scheme

by jonahstourguide in

spotted this article this morning.

i will try to post a link.. jtg.. australia.. institutions refusing to join the national redress scheme are "doubling down" on the crime of child sexual abuse, prime minister scott morrison says.. mr morrison and social services minister anne ruston have warned institutions they may lose funding and tax concessions if they fail to sign up by tuesday's deadline and will be named and shamed.. "all institutions are doing in not joining is doubling down on the crime and doubling down on the hurt," they said in a letter to 25 institutions.. "we consider it to be reprehensible that you have failed to sign up to the scheme.".

the jehovah's witnesses is among the organisations that has refused to sign up, arguing it does not have the institutional settings of other faith-based institutions that the redress scheme is designed to cover.. senator ruston is set to name the non-participating institutions on wednesday, when she will announce what action the federal government will take against them.. "we urge you to join the scheme not because of concerns about being identified, but because it is the right thing to do," the minister and mr morrison said.. "it is the right thing to do by survivors and their families and it is what every, decent, honest, australian demands.".

jonahstourguide

Hi all,

Spotted this article this morning. I will try to post a link.

jtg.

Australia.

Institutions refusing to join the national redress scheme are "doubling down" on the crime of child sexual abuse, Prime Minister Scott Morrison says.

Mr Morrison and Social Services Minister Anne Ruston have warned institutions they may lose funding and tax concessions if they fail to sign up by Tuesday's deadline and will be named and shamed.

"All institutions are doing in not joining is doubling down on the crime and doubling down on the hurt," they said in a letter to 25 institutions.

"We consider it to be reprehensible that you have failed to sign up to the scheme."

The Jehovah's Witnesses is among the organisations that has refused to sign up, arguing it does not have the institutional settings of other faith-based institutions that the redress scheme is designed to cover.

Senator Ruston is set to name the non-participating institutions on Wednesday, when she will announce what action the federal government will take against them.

"We urge you to join the scheme not because of concerns about being identified, but because it is the right thing to do," the minister and Mr Morrison said.

"It is the right thing to do by survivors and their families and it is what every, decent, honest, Australian demands."

The letter confirmed financial sanctions including the removal of charitable status and tax concessions were possible.

"Institutions that do not provide a clear statement of intent by 30 June 2020 will be publicly identified and the government is considering other actions including the appropriateness of future funding and tax status."

The letter was sent to 25 institutions on Friday, urging them to commit to join the scheme by Tuesday.

Those 25 institutions, which were either named in redress applications or the child abuse royal commission, are holding up claims from 103 survivors.

Legal service Knowmore's principal lawyer Anna Swain said survivors hoped institutions did the right thing, but expected some victims would miss out on compensation and acknowledgement.

"There will be many people who are left incredibly distressed and disappointed," Ms Swain told AAP.

Religious, community, charity, education and sporting organisations have had two years to opt in to the scheme.

Ms Swain said survivors wanted action against those that refused to join.

"They will still continue to fight and they want every possible action to be taken to try to hold these institutions accountable."

As of June 12, the scheme had received 7133 applications and made 2501 payments totalling almost $202 million.

A further 623 redress offers are awaiting an applicant's decision.

Australian Associated Press

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2020 Convention streamed

by Rattigan350 in

2020 convention of jehovah’s witnesses.

we warmly invite you to watch this year’s three-day convention presented by jehovah’s witnesses.

as a result of the novel coronavirus (covid-19) pandemic, this year’s convention program is being presented online at jw.org.

jonahstourguide

Hi fifth.column.

It's the same globally mate including the 'small groups' sharing <<interesting points>>

I'm in Australia and have seen the instruction letter.

jtg

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Breaking: Beards in The Watchtower

by neat blue dog in

the latest issue of the watchtower shows a man with a beard praying.. .

i fully expected to see him 'progress' to clean-shaven in the following pictures, but instead he is still bearded when 'applying bible principles'.. .

i then realized that he was already featured on the cover itself.. .

jonahstourguide

I just added an edit re Blondies work many years ago.

jtg

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Breaking: Beards in The Watchtower

by neat blue dog in

the latest issue of the watchtower shows a man with a beard praying.. .

i fully expected to see him 'progress' to clean-shaven in the following pictures, but instead he is still bearded when 'applying bible principles'.. .

i then realized that he was already featured on the cover itself.. .

jonahstourguide

Yes mikeflood. I have some old jworg calendar cover pages and from what I can see, the good guys were clean skins up to about 1968.

On a 1971 calendar beards were being worn by the good guys including jc.

I think it was due to a Questions from Readers query on that very subject around that time. You know, when jw's did actually study the bible and did meaningful research,,,,,,,,that woke many of us up.

jtg

p.s. Here in Melbourne Australia beards are still frowned on by many Elders and they will not allow a visiting speaker to address the cong if he sports a trimmed beard. Even a mustache draws attention and criticism but is tolerated.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/85625/comments-you-will-hear-2-20-05-wt-study-late-posting

This post, if you scroll down refers to the wt articles re beards. Excellent work by Blondie.

The 1968 wt article in conclusion actually states that men may wear beards in paradise!!

Old light becomes new light!?