Posts by scoobydont

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What were the calculations used to arrive at the 1874 date of Christ's return?

by Zoos in

we all know the calculations used by the wt to arrive at 1914. fall of babylon in 607 (false year), gentile times, no zero year, ta-da, 1914.. what did they use before that?

i know it wasn't russell who came up with it - he just adopted it.

i'm just curious what they had to explain away when they made the transition.. .

scoobydont

@ VANDERHOVEN7: The entire religion is based on speculation.

I disagree with that view. Please, this is no time to be kind to those wolves ! It might well have been the case when Russell started out...probably the only 'honest-hearted' leader the organisation ever had. But upon his death, Ruddy Judge only saw a business venture or cash cow that needed to be kept up at any cost, of which fabrication, lies, deceit and coersion of members would become the way forward.

Subsequent leaders or GB members who may have believed at some point that the organisation had been divinely appointed were simply too astonished to find, on getting to the very top, that the leadership didn't have the divine connection that previous leaders had claimed !

What a farce, they soon find out! But they are not going to walk away from an organisation that had sucked so much out them. Now, it's their opportunity to take back, with interest, all they had ever given to the organisation - unlike many others who had given their all and had been left by the wayside to face a miserable end.

So, they simply carry on promoting old lies and fabricating new ones to sustain the old. It is this line of thought which has led me to conclude that any serving member of the GB knows TTATT but, hey, show must go on ! It's a bit like that adventure in the Wizard Of Oz.

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Brother Knorr's Cadillac and other secret perks

by tim hooper in

back when i was a wee lad, my dad told me that the brothers in brooklyn had voted to purchase a cadillac motor car for the sole use of the then president, nathan h knorr.

he'd got this information from the london bethel, him being a chum of the then branch overseer, pryce hughes and his pal ron drage.

religious leaders of non-profit sects are supposed to take a vow of poverty!.

scoobydont

Sweet smoke ! This is marked !! Thanks, Hooper !!!

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After Years of Silence My Father Reaches Out to Me

by truth_b_known in

brief history:.

i was a born in.

my parents were uber-dubs, but never worshipped the organization.

scoobydont

Marked

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2014 AGM - Splane and Pyramids

by berrygerry in

just read a comment on a site that said:.

"at the annual general meeting this year at stanley halls it is on tv.jw.org david splane said the pyramid of giza the bible students believed in for calculating time periods were from pagans".

wasted 2 hours watching the am on jw tv.. splane indeed says this, and that br.

scoobydont

Anyone with a link to Splane's speech, please ? I saw it somewhere, previously, and should have saved it !

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So, are you thinking of coming back?

by kairos in

jw
friends

that's a crazy question.. they really mean, "do you regret your decesion to leave".. ---.

it's just an ice breaker to become nosy into one's personal life.. ---.

btw, last time i was asked this, no, everytime i'm asked this i reply with: "i'm never coming back".. they seem to hear that.. .

scoobydont

Don't be silly ! If there's anything that Charles Russel was ever right about, it is his assertion that you don't need an organisation to be able to worship God !

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Are Jehovah's Witnesses Psycopaths?

by stuckinarut2 in

i have been thinking that jws display an organizationally officially promoted form of thinking that makes them psycopaths!.

what i mean is, any person who enjoyed reading and leaning about past gruesome deaths, or who justified such things as being normal or acceptable would be deemed to be dangerous to society...a psychopath.

(by this i am refferring to the content of the bible of course).

scoobydont

As a 'successful' fader, I can look back now and see from a more objective point that the organisation is a horrible mix of wolves and lambs - pshycopaths / sociopaths and drones. And, yes, it takes a psychopath to run an organisation with a set-up like the WTS's. Therefore, only psychopaths and sociopaths will ever make it beyond the level of C.O, as I see it.

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JW's hit with another lawsuit alleging child sexual abuse

by yalbmert99 in

http://www.christianpost.com/news/jehovahs-witnesses-hit-with-another-lawsuit-alleging-child-sexual-abuse-organization-has-paid-over-13-million-in-damages-130490/.

scoobydont

Sorry, people, I just have to come back to this. Still at work but can't afford to miss this thread.

Interesting topic and contributions.

Thanks everyone here !

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Watchtower Society Over JWs Fielding Techno-propaganda In Germany And U.S.

by Bryan in

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friends

watchtower society over jws fielding techno-propaganda in germany and u.s. former jehovah's witness stephan wolf is sending material out of germany that i have just begun receiving and researching.

for example i found a link off of a link that indicates the watchtower society appears to be trying to improve its public image as more christian (and less of a cult) there by putting individual jws up to airing a public radio program about christ http://www.radio-nachgefragt.de/ which is based out of the town of bochum.

previously http://www.standfirm.de/ was formed supposedly by private citizens without watchtower society direction to air the idea that the watchtower society had led jws in germany into heroic resistance against the nazi dictatorship even though the reality is that though there were heroic jws who did what they could and sometimes died as martyrs, wts branch head erik frost actually sold germanys jws out to the nazis.

scoobydont

Marked !

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CAN WE SOLVE THE MYSTERY of why Watchtower doctrines changed when they changed?

by Terry in

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friends

if a person gives a police report of a traumatic event, but later changes their facts during cross-examination, these changes are used to impeach the honesty of the witness.. this impeachment flows from a logical understanding facts must match reality without contradiction.. lets examine the history of the watchtower corporations leaders with a view to the harmony of.

true teaching over a period of years from 1879-1942.. "even though christmas is not the real anniversary of our lord's birth, but more properly the annunciation day or the date of his human begetting (luke 1:28), nevertheless, since the celebration of our lord's birth is not a matter of divine appointment or injunction, but merely a tribute of respect to him, it is not necessary for us to quibble particularly about the date.

we may as well join with the civilized world in celebrating the grand event on the day which the majority celebrate - "christmas day.

scoobydont

Brilliant post, Terry. Well articulated ! Now, to attempt to answer your question as to the cause(s) behind the changes, my thoughts are captured in one word, "exigencies" !

And to dropoffyourkeylee :"I have always had the suspicion that the no-Christmas, no_Thanksgiving, prohibitions were to create a rift between the family members who stayed with the WT and those who went with the 'evil slave' of the time, the various Bible Students movements. I grew up in the Chicago area in the '60's and even at that time there were family members of the living JWs who were in the other movements."

I must admit that I never reasoned along that line until now, Now, it sounds quite plausible, especially when you consider these changes as the "first baby steps" towards adopting excommunication or disfellowshipping as an instrument for enforcing adherence and group cohesion.

My take, previously, on the no-Christmas, no-birthday, no-blood and all the other no-nos was that they served to set the organisation apart from mainstream churches and create a hoo-hah that kept the organisation in the headlines ! Let's face it, if the organisation didn't have a catalogue of no-nos, they would simply have greyed out and their members absorbed into mainstream churches. Hence, it's all exigency, exigency, exigency ! going back to Terry's question.

This penchant for controversy has certainly worked well for the organisation !

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Seen on Etsy - wtf!

by poopsiecakes in

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scoobydont

Marked !