Posts by thedog1

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Just out of curiosity, how many elders (current & ex) do we have here?

by mrquik in

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me.

thedog1

jean luc, not necessarily true about no love between them. Don't count it out completely, there are some people who serve as elders together who actually like each other. Gasp!

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this week's wt study

by thedog1 in

i conducted the wt study tonight on higher education.

i wondered what the reaction of the bros and sis would be.

there was no deviation from the idea that a university education is not a good idea.

thedog1

ok, I will, still digesting lots of things, not only CoC but various other topics aired on this site. But I will let you know when I finish it or anything that strikes me on the way.

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Just out of curiosity, how many elders (current & ex) do we have here?

by mrquik in

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friends

me.

thedog1

Am I the only currently serving elder on here?

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Disciplinary Actions

by Cold Steel in

during a disciplinary procedure, what would the response be if you wanted representation?

an advocate?.

why don't they have a group of unbiased men, a prosecutor to present the case against you and an advocate that would represent the accused?

While I realise some on this forum, such as cantleave, are somewhat exercised on this subject, I was simply stating my perspective on the issue. I do not have any qualifications in psychology, though I have a great interest in this subject and have read a number of books on it, but do not consider myself an expert by any means. The procedure in the congregations of JW's, for those who accept it, is that the body of elders are placed in a position to form judicial committees when members of the congregation act in such a way that they breach the standards that they voluntarily signed up to by becoming a Witness in the first place. This is not to sound legalistic, that is not what I am trying to sound like, but simply to emphasize that those who become Witnesses agree to play by the rules as set down in the scriptures. Fair play to you, cantleave, if, as an elder, you did not feel adequately qualified to have a negative impact on the lives of others. That is fine, your choice. Adustments, you say that nepotism plays a part, and friendship also. I remember a case I served on where a friend of mine was before the committee. I think I have mentioned somewhere on the forum that I decided to serve on the committee because I had an insight into his thinking. We ended up disfellowshipping him because we viewed him as not being truly repentant. If I had been influenced by friendship maybe the outcome would have been different. Desirous of change, even though the fact that someone had committed the sin many times could be viewed as a 'practice of sin', if the person shows repentance then the repentance is the determining factor. Adjustments, the factors determining repentance often revolve around what the person has done since they came to realize that they have done something that they need to repentant for. Have they apologized to the injured party, for example, if that is possible? Have they tried to right the wrong? Tears, or the lack of tears, are not an important factor in themselves.

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this week's wt study

by thedog1 in

i conducted the wt study tonight on higher education.

i wondered what the reaction of the bros and sis would be.

there was no deviation from the idea that a university education is not a good idea.

thedog1

Interesting. I did read a book about his theories. It was called, fittingly, E=mc2, (can't get the squared 2 in the right place!) I also like this quote attributed to him. "Gravitation cannot be held responsible for people falling in love. How on earth can you explain in terms of chemistry and physics so important a biological phenomena as first love? Put your hand on a stove for a minute and it seems like an hour. Sit with a pretty girl for an hour and it seems like a minute. That's relativity."

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Disciplinary Actions

by Cold Steel in

during a disciplinary procedure, what would the response be if you wanted representation?

an advocate?.

why don't they have a group of unbiased men, a prosecutor to present the case against you and an advocate that would represent the accused?

thedog1

Hi to all the recent respondees (if that is a real word) to my words here. Just want to think about this for a bit and then respond again as some of the comments warrant a considered response. Won't be long though.

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Disciplinary Actions

by Cold Steel in

during a disciplinary procedure, what would the response be if you wanted representation?

an advocate?.

why don't they have a group of unbiased men, a prosecutor to present the case against you and an advocate that would represent the accused?

thedog1

We certainly pray for it when making decisions. Do you feel that in your case the JC did not believe you were genuine?

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Disciplinary Actions

by Cold Steel in

during a disciplinary procedure, what would the response be if you wanted representation?

an advocate?.

why don't they have a group of unbiased men, a prosecutor to present the case against you and an advocate that would represent the accused?

thedog1

From my own experience, it's not three against one or six against one. I am an elder, and have served quite a few times on judicial committees. Each time the goal was to discern if the person was repentant according to scriptural standards. No decision was made ahead of time. We weighed the evidence, if the person denied they had done it. So no foregone conclusion. If they confessed to doing something wrong, then we discussed the matter with him/her and only disfellowshipped if the person was not genuinely repentant.

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