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  The Watchtower religion(JWS), that really couldn't fail, from beginning to ........

  by Finkelstein in

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  when one looks back retrospectively at the very beginning of this organization, you could see that the wts.. was on a structural platform of success, created by cunningly created doctrines, such as the invisible return of.

  christ, the end times and the imminently soon to come armageddon, all bundled together.. .. this religious organization like so many others established in the united states was unregulated and had.

  no upper governing control over its daily operations.. they proclaimed and taught what they wanted to or needed to sustain their operations as a publishing house.. .

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  thedog1

  Hi Sam, thank you for asking about my wife. She is still sorting out her medical problems and doesn't want to talk about my doubts.
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  The Watchtower religion(JWS), that really couldn't fail, from beginning to ........

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when one looks back retrospectively at the very beginning of this organization, you could see that the wts.. was on a structural platform of success, created by cunningly created doctrines, such as the invisible return of.

  christ, the end times and the imminently soon to come armageddon, all bundled together.. .. this religious organization like so many others established in the united states was unregulated and had.

  no upper governing control over its daily operations.. they proclaimed and taught what they wanted to or needed to sustain their operations as a publishing house.. .

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  thedog1

  I understand people who have been badly treated or feel they have been misguided in the past having a bit of a go at me because I am still in the org and still an elder. But some here such as CC and others can see the turmoil felt by anyone who has spent, in my case, over 30 years as a Witness and who, over a period of a short few months, has had to re-examine everything!
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  The Watchtower religion(JWS), that really couldn't fail, from beginning to ........

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when one looks back retrospectively at the very beginning of this organization, you could see that the wts.. was on a structural platform of success, created by cunningly created doctrines, such as the invisible return of.

  christ, the end times and the imminently soon to come armageddon, all bundled together.. .. this religious organization like so many others established in the united states was unregulated and had.

  no upper governing control over its daily operations.. they proclaimed and taught what they wanted to or needed to sustain their operations as a publishing house.. .

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  thedog1

  that last post really makes me want to stay on this forum
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  The Watchtower religion(JWS), that really couldn't fail, from beginning to ........

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when one looks back retrospectively at the very beginning of this organization, you could see that the wts.. was on a structural platform of success, created by cunningly created doctrines, such as the invisible return of.

  christ, the end times and the imminently soon to come armageddon, all bundled together.. .. this religious organization like so many others established in the united states was unregulated and had.

  no upper governing control over its daily operations.. they proclaimed and taught what they wanted to or needed to sustain their operations as a publishing house.. .

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  thedog1

  Lots of interesting posts, not been able to get back here until just now, and still got to chew over what has been posted.
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  The Watchtower religion(JWS), that really couldn't fail, from beginning to ........

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when one looks back retrospectively at the very beginning of this organization, you could see that the wts.. was on a structural platform of success, created by cunningly created doctrines, such as the invisible return of.

  christ, the end times and the imminently soon to come armageddon, all bundled together.. .. this religious organization like so many others established in the united states was unregulated and had.

  no upper governing control over its daily operations.. they proclaimed and taught what they wanted to or needed to sustain their operations as a publishing house.. .

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  thedog1

  I don't know if that is true or not, I always assumed that even if some people were misguided in their devotion to religion, that the motive in at least some cases was to find some meaning outside of their own personal existence, not to justify their existence necessarily, but simply a desire to see a bigger picture, not for self-promotion, but to find, if possible, a greater meaning.
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  The Watchtower religion(JWS), that really couldn't fail, from beginning to ........

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when one looks back retrospectively at the very beginning of this organization, you could see that the wts.. was on a structural platform of success, created by cunningly created doctrines, such as the invisible return of.

  christ, the end times and the imminently soon to come armageddon, all bundled together.. .. this religious organization like so many others established in the united states was unregulated and had.

  no upper governing control over its daily operations.. they proclaimed and taught what they wanted to or needed to sustain their operations as a publishing house.. .

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  thedog1

  you know, I came on this forum as somebody who was honestly trying to sort out my own mind in relation to things I have been learning over the past few months, and questions that came up in my mind in relation to teachings I find hard to accept, like the overlapping generation. But the vitriol in the last few posts alone on this thread have really put me off. Finkelstein asserts that this is some sort of power trip. I don't know what your story is, but you cannot seem to accept that people can do something out of a good motive, even if the org they are representing is something you do not believe in. There seems to be no allowance on the part of some posters for somebody who is honestly trying to work their way through this whole situation. It descends to the level of 'you are brainwashed by a publishing company,' ' you are on a power trip' and so on. Can you give people a little credit for coming to an awareness of the fact that things they may have believed in for a long time are not what they seem? What happened to a little charity (Christian or otherwise)? The very things you decry as missing in the congregations of Witnesses, tolerance, understanding, and fellow feeling for other individuals who are trying to find their way, seems to be sorely lacking!!!
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  The Watchtower religion(JWS), that really couldn't fail, from beginning to ........

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when one looks back retrospectively at the very beginning of this organization, you could see that the wts.. was on a structural platform of success, created by cunningly created doctrines, such as the invisible return of.

  christ, the end times and the imminently soon to come armageddon, all bundled together.. .. this religious organization like so many others established in the united states was unregulated and had.

  no upper governing control over its daily operations.. they proclaimed and taught what they wanted to or needed to sustain their operations as a publishing house.. .

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  thedog1

  Sorry guys, got to disagree with you. I don't see myself as an enforcer. I do the best I can to interpret the Christian message and act in that way to the bros in the cong. I am not a great believer in fs reports even though of course I fill one out each month.

  Kaik you said ' Thedog1, the power over local congregation is what drive men to join publishing company', if I understand you correctly that means elders become elders to dominate other people. That is not the reason I became an elder, believe it or not, it was to help, as I saw it.
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  The Watchtower religion(JWS), that really couldn't fail, from beginning to ........

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when one looks back retrospectively at the very beginning of this organization, you could see that the wts.. was on a structural platform of success, created by cunningly created doctrines, such as the invisible return of.

  christ, the end times and the imminently soon to come armageddon, all bundled together.. .. this religious organization like so many others established in the united states was unregulated and had.

  no upper governing control over its daily operations.. they proclaimed and taught what they wanted to or needed to sustain their operations as a publishing house.. .

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  thedog1

  imitate
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  The Watchtower religion(JWS), that really couldn't fail, from beginning to ........

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when one looks back retrospectively at the very beginning of this organization, you could see that the wts.. was on a structural platform of success, created by cunningly created doctrines, such as the invisible return of.

  christ, the end times and the imminently soon to come armageddon, all bundled together.. .. this religious organization like so many others established in the united states was unregulated and had.

  no upper governing control over its daily operations.. they proclaimed and taught what they wanted to or needed to sustain their operations as a publishing house.. .

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  thedog1

  Only if you believe that is your role. There are ways to avoid doing this if you truly simply want to help people. I realise that the org is not exactly what I thought it was when I became a Witness. But please do not believe that all elders are simply mindless servants, doing the bidding of the org and the CO without having some at times very creative input from themselves, input which reflects an attempt to imiate the mind of Christ.
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  The Watchtower religion(JWS), that really couldn't fail, from beginning to ........

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when one looks back retrospectively at the very beginning of this organization, you could see that the wts.. was on a structural platform of success, created by cunningly created doctrines, such as the invisible return of.

  christ, the end times and the imminently soon to come armageddon, all bundled together.. .. this religious organization like so many others established in the united states was unregulated and had.

  no upper governing control over its daily operations.. they proclaimed and taught what they wanted to or needed to sustain their operations as a publishing house.. .

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  thedog1

  But I don't control other peoples' lives. Maybe I am the exception but usually I leave it up to people to be Christians themselves. If somebody in my group misses a meeting I might contact them if they have been sick simply to express concern, not to chase them up for non-meeting attendance. If they are somebody who has different private issues that might make it hard for them to attend, like a non-believing spouse, then I don't give them the third-degree if they miss meetings. Likewise with ministry. I let people work it out for themselves unless it is obvious they need some support from me. I really do believe in people deciding for themselves whether they want to attend meetings or go in fs for themselves. I am there to help if they need it but what they do is their choice. I respect their rights as human beings with an individual conscience and a working brain.