The idea is that the operating committee of the hall, epecially when halls are shared, will also have an account, again one set up by the org, into which funds which have been deposited into the new central account will be sent by direct debit each month, according to a set amount which will cover basic costs like electricity etc. But any unexpected expenses, or expenses incurred to cover circuit overseer visits, for example, would need to be covered by money kept under the bed by the accounts servant from the contribs.
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New congregation accounting system
by thedog1 ini'm sure i read a thread here about the new congregation accounting procedures.
i ask because i handle the accounts in our cong and in our part of the world the new accounting system has just arrived whereby local congs do not have their own account any longer, but all funds outside of basic monthly costs is forwarded to an account controlled by the org.
this is causing huge confusion in our cong as we have to work out how much we need to keep back for monthly costs and the new idea is that you send all your extra cash to the org and if you need it back you can ask for it but we don't know how easy or hard it would be to do that.
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New congregation accounting system
by thedog1 ini'm sure i read a thread here about the new congregation accounting procedures.
i ask because i handle the accounts in our cong and in our part of the world the new accounting system has just arrived whereby local congs do not have their own account any longer, but all funds outside of basic monthly costs is forwarded to an account controlled by the org.
this is causing huge confusion in our cong as we have to work out how much we need to keep back for monthly costs and the new idea is that you send all your extra cash to the org and if you need it back you can ask for it but we don't know how easy or hard it would be to do that.
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thedog1
As far as I know, the began operating in the Uk branch area, which includes Ireland, during the last year, as somebody I know in that area is the cong accounts servant and he told me some months ago that they had begun to operate it. In my own country of residence, it is only just now happening, and all the details are being ironed out. It is causing a lot of head-scratching as bros do not know how it will work exactly. It was suggested to me that I keep the on-hand funds needed for emergency expenses in my house, which I was not happy about, as it would be safer in a bank. Anyway, I am really surprised by this move as it removes all local autonomy in financial matters, and it was simply imposed from above, with no discussion at a local level. Most of the bros and sis are not aware of the change and I wonder if they fully realised what was going on whether it would affect contribs.
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New congregation accounting system
by thedog1 ini'm sure i read a thread here about the new congregation accounting procedures.
i ask because i handle the accounts in our cong and in our part of the world the new accounting system has just arrived whereby local congs do not have their own account any longer, but all funds outside of basic monthly costs is forwarded to an account controlled by the org.
this is causing huge confusion in our cong as we have to work out how much we need to keep back for monthly costs and the new idea is that you send all your extra cash to the org and if you need it back you can ask for it but we don't know how easy or hard it would be to do that.
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I kid you not! I am still doing the accounts in my hall and this is making my head spin!
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New congregation accounting system
by thedog1 ini'm sure i read a thread here about the new congregation accounting procedures.
i ask because i handle the accounts in our cong and in our part of the world the new accounting system has just arrived whereby local congs do not have their own account any longer, but all funds outside of basic monthly costs is forwarded to an account controlled by the org.
this is causing huge confusion in our cong as we have to work out how much we need to keep back for monthly costs and the new idea is that you send all your extra cash to the org and if you need it back you can ask for it but we don't know how easy or hard it would be to do that.
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thedog1
Let me try to clarify this. For many years each congregation has had its own account. Usually, in the country I live in (I don't want to say where I am but it is in Europe) up to now each cong had an account which had a simple bank book with the names of two bros on it. These two bros administered the account for the cong and worked out how much was needed to send to the org each month through bank transfers for contributions received for the worldwide preaching work, for building Kingdom Halls worldwide and for any loans advanced by the org for building the Kingdom Hall. All that has changed as now the account in the control of the local cong has disappeared and a new account has been created in the name of the org in whatever country you may be in. All funds collected each month are deposited in this account, with the exception of funds for monthly running costs such as electricity and similar outlays. In this way, local control of funds received in now zilch. The account is administerd locally by a number of local bros, but that is only a technicality, as, get this, these bros will only have an ATM card with which to deposit funds, not to withdraw them. If a cong needs any out-of-the-ordinary expense covered, they have to request this money from the org account and the funds will be sent to another named account which is run by something called the Kingdom Hall Operating Committee, which co-ordinates the maintenance of the halls.
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2014 April Our Kingdom Ministry
by WatchTower87 in2014 april our kingdom ministry.
pdf version : press next and download.
http://adf.ly/dr101.
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thedog1
Another strange wrinkle is that all invites for the convention can now be counted as a 'placement' on the field service report each month.
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New congregation accounting system
by thedog1 ini'm sure i read a thread here about the new congregation accounting procedures.
i ask because i handle the accounts in our cong and in our part of the world the new accounting system has just arrived whereby local congs do not have their own account any longer, but all funds outside of basic monthly costs is forwarded to an account controlled by the org.
this is causing huge confusion in our cong as we have to work out how much we need to keep back for monthly costs and the new idea is that you send all your extra cash to the org and if you need it back you can ask for it but we don't know how easy or hard it would be to do that.
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Maybe somebody can help me here. I'm sure I read a thread here about the new congregation accounting procedures. I ask because I handle the accounts in our cong and in our part of the world the new accounting system has just arrived whereby local congs do not have their own account any longer, but all funds outside of basic monthly costs is forwarded to an account controlled by the org. This is causing huge confusion in our cong as we have to work out how much we need to keep back for monthly costs and the new idea is that you send all your extra cash to the org and if you need it back you can ask for it but we don't know how easy or hard it would be to do that. Any links to previous threads on this?
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How did you tell your spouse you want out of the JW religion?
by leaving_quietly inwhat did you imagine would happen?
did they react the way you expected?
how did you bring it up?.
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I think then that we are kind of in a similar situation where we see issues that bother us but can also see the good that is there. Even if all Witnesses do not live up to the moral standards preached, for instance, the attempt to live up to them produces good qualities. But the question that keeps coming up in my mind, and it has been aired here by others of course, is how could a spirit-directed org make so many mistakes? One or two ok, allow for imperfection. But all those wrong dates and then the mad new generation teaching and the lack of an outlet when someone is genuinely questioning.
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How did you tell your spouse you want out of the JW religion?
by leaving_quietly inwhat did you imagine would happen?
did they react the way you expected?
how did you bring it up?.
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I haven't told my spouse that I want out yet as I don't know if I want out. I am serving as an elder in a European country, not my own country, and the cong I serve in, though not an Engish speaking one, has some meetings in English. I conduct an English watchtower study. The problem I have is that I have read Crisis of Conscience and most of In Search of Christian Freedom, and even though I don't completely agree with Ray Franz on everything, he has some very good points to make in these two books. I started to talk to my wife about my doubts about the generation teaching but she got very afraid and cut the conversation short. The recent wt study on the 'Assyrian' and that elders are supposed to obey illogical instructions was a hard one to conduct. My wife sees some of the illogicality, but is still staunch. I think that if I make any decision to fade, it will be a very long slow fade, as a lot of her family are Witnesses, and she already has a df'd brother who does not see much of the rest of the family, although they do not take the hardline approach which seems to have become th norm among many Witnesses toward df'd relatives.
There is a lot at stake if I walk, so this is why I am not having any more conversations with my wife about this at the moment. I am still weighing it all up. Bros in the cong here are very loving and really trust the org. so my main beef is with the org and the policies and doctrines which do not really add up any more. The individual witnesses I know here really do show neighbour love but they are in thrall to the org.
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Reading the Bible with my wife.
by FadeToBlack inafter she came home today from the meeting and we had a big discussion about the need for christains to meet together.
she was very concerned that i would not survive the coming big a. i suggested that we start reading the bible together (just to show her i wasn't uninterested )and try to keep up with the wt schedule.
she agreed.
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Interesting post. I only realized recently from this site why the bros in 1914 all expected to go to heaven as soon as the gentile times ended, as they believed that up to then they were already living in the time of the end. What also stunned me was that the org still uses the 'advertise advertise advertise the King and his kingdom' catchphrase which was contained in, I think, the same assembly talk or at least on the same programme on an assembly which stated the wildly erroneous idea that the men of old would be resurrected in 1925. I have only recently learned about all the other dates in the 1800's when things were supposed to happen. Can't talk to my wife about it all though, as she would completely freak out!
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I could do with some help please?
by chrisuk inso the elder i studied with called round last wednesday.
i didn't tell him i'd lost my faith, i just said there are a number of reasons i wouldn't be able to return to either my studies or the meetings.
he asked me whar 2 or 3 of my reasons are so we could discuss them.. my reply: 1 i think all christians should partake of the bread and wine.
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'I know people have said you can't, and wont ever reach an elder, but I see plenty of ex-elders on this very site.'
quote from an earlier post on this thread. I am an elder who reads the comments here and sometimes I comment. I know some will say I am disloyal and should if being obedient toe the party line. But give me some credit as a thinking person who is open to the thoughts and arguments of others. Yes, I am still serving as an elder, but for example, in last week's wt study, I was very uncomfortable, as I conduct the study, about the last couple of mad paragraphs about what elders are supposed to take from the 'dukes' fulfillment. Very embarrassing for me personally in relation to the obey even if you do not understand it directive. Also very disturbed by what Anthony Morris is supposed to have said in Italy.