Posts by Gentledawn

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The two elders visited my sister again

by opusdei1972 in

i phoned my sister and she told me that yesterday the two elders visited her again.

she lives in a latin country (as i do).

and as i shown before, just two weeks ago, these elders visited my sister because she is not attending the meetings.

Gentledawn

"Sister, we are noticing that you have too much stress for these past publications. You demand too much perfection for the organization. Firstly, these were not false prophets, they were sincere christians who wished the end of this system of things, so their desire led them to set some wrong dates. Secondly, in certain sense, these predictions were true, because Babylon the Great fell in 1919."

Deuteronomy 18:20 - "20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.” "

And what proof do they (the visiting elders) offer that "babylon fell" in 1919? Seriously. The bible students continued to celebrate christmas and all manner of things, all with "god's approval" allegedly hanging over their heads like a halo, until the latter half of the 1920s.

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/celebrations.php

Watchtower followers stopped celebrating Christmas from 1928.

"What caused the Bible Students to stop celebrating Christmas? Richard H. Barber gave this answer: "I was asked to give an hour talk over a [radio] hookup on the subject of Christmas. It was given December 12, 1928, and published in The Golden Age #241 and again a year later in #268. That talk pointed out the pagan origin of Christmas. After that, the brothers at Bethel never celebrated Christmas again."

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"Sister, those who left the Society went back to the false religion, to the churches of Babylon the Great. "

Again, proof? They need to name some names. In fact, they are implying that ALL went back to "false churches". Name the names and where they went. They made the assertion as fact. The burden of proof is on them to prove the statement as factual.

They (the elders) make sweeping statements without a single ounce of evidence to back up what they say. That is a fact.

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Tell her to stop allowing these cultists into her home or even in her presence. The next set of statements from them will be in the form of questions, such as "do you believe the governing body/watchower society are spokesmen/god's channel on earth today?"

If she does not answer "yes" to any of these sorts of statement questions, she will be disfellowshipped and shunned. She needs to shake the dust off her feet at them and never talk to them again.

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ex elder sentenced to 14 years.

by ThomasCovenant in

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/im-relieved-everybody-now-knows-7357125.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-28127683.

Gentledawn

Tried to find a copy of the text online, but this book has been out of print for some time now.

[W A R N I N G: some of the text in the book is explicit and may inadvertantly trigger an unwanted response in some former victims/survivors]

Understanding rape and pedophilia, exceprts from an "Abnormal Psychology" textbook (circa 1980s):

Rapist types:

http://i60.tinypic.com/2a81bww.png

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Pedo types:

http://i60.tinypic.com/opwq9w.png

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A precious gift to all from Jehovah (channelled via Focus)

by Focus in

jw
friends

some souls here may feel i was a little harsh.

if so, i am deeply sorry.

i was abused by a handful right from the start, presumably on the basis of the avatar picture (and 2001 vintage).. when visiting dubland, i often find that others start fights with me - for whatever reason, and i provide quite a supply of them - and when it doesn't quite go the way they expected, they cry persecution.

Gentledawn

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/experiences/269000/74/The-Pastor-of-my-Old-Church-Tried-to-Re-Convert-Me-Yesterday#4933397

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higher ed

by lambsbottom in

hurry need recent article showing wt discouraging higher ed.

Gentledawn

Oops, posted wrong link for second half of that letter in a previous reply:

Part 2

http://i59.tinypic.com/15846jk.jpg

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Mental Health Issues in JW Women

by Seven in

here's a click to the cultic studies journalissue concerning jw women.

[url] http://www.csj.org/pub_csj/csj_vol14_no1_97/abs_wifely.htm#top[/url]

Gentledawn

Like Terry pointed out in a different post:

God is love. Love is not jealous. God is a jealous god.

Have fun working that one out.

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Romans 16:1 (AMP) "Now I introduce and commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the church at Cenchreae,"

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Romans%2016:1

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1 Timothy 3:11 (footnote in NIV): a. "1 Timothy 3:11 Possibly deacons’ wives or women who are deacons"

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+timothy+3%3A11&version=NIV

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translation of the word : "deacon" = διάκονος (diakonos)

translation of the word "servant" = υπηρέτης

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A wikipedia entry on "deacon":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deacon

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higher ed

by lambsbottom in

hurry need recent article showing wt discouraging higher ed.

Gentledawn

March 2012

Part 1

http://i59.tinypic.com/qs5swk.jpg

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Part 2

http://i59.tinypic.com/qs5swk.jpg

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One letter split it in half for legibility.

Love this one quote:

"However, Satan, the Master of Deception, has made the pursuit of higher education dangerous for a christian."

Also, degrees of pornia? Since when, Watchtower Leadership? Sheesh. How biblical. Not. Oh, and there's a follow-up letter dated April of that same year which details pornia even more, if mem serves. Bunch of toad-sucking, infantile, hypocritical... grrr. Could go on, but don't wanna spook away any lurkers.

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Liar, liar your pants are on fire...

by new hope and happiness in

i remember as kids we would say " liar, liar your pants are on fire" and they wern't were they.

so that in itself was a lie.. but is lying always so bad?

i mean for example at an art class as a kid when i had to commented someones work, rather than be nasty, at a picture which was terrible and traced as well !

Gentledawn

Calling it "the truth" is no accidental language/terminology.

Here is some interesting science (Stroop Effect):

http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/words.html

"Colors, Colors

The famous "Stroop Effect" is named after J. Ridley Stroop who discovered this strange phenomenon in the 1930s. Here is your job: name the colors of the following words. Do NOT read the words...rather, say the color of the words. For example, if the word "BLUE" is printed in a red color, you should say "RED". Say the colors as fast as you can. It is not as easy as you might think!"

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When "the truth" is mostly a LIE, but you repeatedly call the entire conglomeration a "truth"... then that is part of a mind control device, imo.

jhine wrote:

Someone must know that this is a cult because the whole way it is run and the members manipulated means that there is some clever thinking behind the practical organisation of it. Some dotty old men who really believe would not know about mind control techniques (which someone clearly does ) . The crafty way the members are tricked into policing each other and the scare tactics used show real thought behind the scenes somewhere .

Jan

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/280851/1/How-is-the-org-really-run-What-goes-on-behind-the-scenes#5032430

The leadership use mind control/brainwashing/coersive persuasion techniques on purpose. It's not by accident that they are structured the way they are, with persuasive talks designed to move the listener, not only to act, but mostly to AGREE. Once they find themselves agreeing even to the simplest notion, then they are invested. The trap has snapped shut. They will do what the speaker has 'suggested' in the third part of the structured "talk".

• Yes set: get the listener to agree with an idea.
• Truism: "facts" that are otherwise debatable, tossed out there as plausible truthiness. "Evidentally". "It is apparent". "Picture in your mind: tears of joy rolling down their faces", when nothing like that is said in the scriptures. And so on.
• Suggestion: the solution that may or may not have anything to do with really resolving anything spoken about previously. Sign over property. Give a kiss. Go door-to-door. Say a prayer. Roll in the aisles. Throw money at the speaker. Wear his brand of tee shirts. Whatever.

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Jehovah's Witnesses destroyed documents showing child abuse allegations against church elder

by burnedout in

mark sewell convicted of eight historic sex charges, including rape.

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i can not copy the link, but go to walesonline.co.uk.

Gentledawn

This story (walesonline article) is now on the front page of Reddit and is the topmost post.

http://i61.tinypic.com/20axvsz.jpg

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The Ravings of Trolls Distracts FOCUS From Real Watchtower Scandals

by cofty in

my thread was inspired by gentledawn's insightful comment about the effect the events in wales had on her jw husband.... hope any lurkers out there can filter out the signal (storys and experiences like this) to noise (the current trolls running amok on the forums) ratios.

this the problem with those who focus on outrageous fantasies about the watchtower.

it distracts from the real issues that need to be highlighted.. what happened in wales was for real.

Gentledawn

I have no quarrel with anyone, focus. You can post all you like (as long as the rules/website owner allows). But I'm not gonna participate in any of your nonsense. I've had my fill of sociopaths/psychopaths to last a lifetime.

You know who else made large lists and dictionary-esque entries? This guy:

http://el.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=Gumba+Gumba

(looks like all of his entries were pulled down from the English version..? And only 900-ish are visible on this Greek version)

There used to be 1500-2500 dictionary entries made by that young man (think he was 15-16yo when he made most of em).

What happened to him, you might ask? More like what happened to her, when he crossed her path in real life:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2007/06/28/uk-britain-nurse-idUKL2889553820070628

I was acquainted with the kid long before any of that shit happened. The news of what he'd done came as a mega-shock to hundreds of people on a few web forums, one of which I used to frequent, too.

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Regarding the Mark Sewell conviction and all the boobery the elders/watchtower leadership pulled/trying to pull:

There are a lot of articles and websites posting up their own take(s). JWSurvey has an article about the Mark Sewell story now. /r/exjw on Reddit has a mention/discussion going on, too. Even BBC has an article.

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Jehovah's Witnesses destroyed documents showing child abuse allegations against church elder

by burnedout in

mark sewell convicted of eight historic sex charges, including rape.

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i can not copy the link, but go to walesonline.co.uk.

Gentledawn

Hope any lurkers out there can filter out the signal (storys and experiences like this) to noise (the current trolls running amok on the forums) ratios.

The whole elder body (except one) opposed the legal system. During the actual judicial committees:

"'There were 12 elders and not one of them stood up – not one': Victim of Jehovah's Witness rapist describes torment"

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/jehovahs-witness-mark-sewell-jailed-7339113

Are they (the courts, police, etc) the "superior authorities" or not? What a gaggle of liars the leadership are, because every elder body is directed to contact the branch and/or legal department in cases like this.

This story is a BIG deal. My husband is in muted, horrified shock.

... well, he was for a few minutes at least. But then his cult personality kicked in and he's talking like it's an isolated incident or one-off situation.