This congregation is in Erie, PA.
Any more specific info?
Asbury Woods congregation immediately comes to mind, but I don't want to assume anything.
Gentledawn
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Elders removed in Northern PA. Congregation
by ToesUp ina close family member just informed me what happened during their last c.o.
visit.
this occurred 3 months ago.
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Montreal Gazette: 'Homosexuals like you in tight pants,' JW leader says
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://montrealgazette.com/life/turning-the-page-homosexuals-like-you-in-tight-pants-jehovahs-witness-leader-says-reportsturning the page: 'homosexuals like you in tight pants,' jehovah's witness leader says reportsjillian page, montreal gazette more from jillian page, montreal gazette.
published on: november 12, 2014 last updated: november 12, 2014 11:33 pm est.
skin-tight pants are a no-no in public, church leader says,.
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MTV Music Award 2009: Eminem and "Bruno" (Sacha Baron Cohen)
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Elders are going to the CO on me
by cognac ini celebrated halloween and my birthday and the elders have been told.
husband told the elders i've called the religion a cult.
they said i'm "heading down a road to be an apostate.
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Typical go-to question dropped by the Elderberries which they apparently think is a real "gotcha!":
"Do you believe the governing body[i.e. mere men] are god's channel of communication on earth today?"
http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/are-jehovahs-witnesses-a-cult/
Are Jehovah’s Witnesses a Cult?
No, Jehovah’s Witnesses are not a cult. Rather, we are Christians who do our best to follow the example set by Jesus Christ and to live by his teachings.
What is a cult?
The term “cult” means different things to different people. However, consider two common perceptions regarding cults and why those perceptions don’t apply to us.
• Some think of a cult as being a new or unorthodox religion. Jehovah’s Witnesses have not invented a new religion. On the contrary, we pattern our worship after that of the first-century Christians, whose example and teachings were recorded in the Bible. (2 Timothy 3:16, 17) We believe that the Holy Scriptures should be the authority on what is orthodox in matters of worship.
•Some think of a cult as being a dangerous religious sect with a human leader[s]. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not look to any human as their leader. Rather, we adhere to the standard that Jesus set for his followers when he stated: “Your Leader is one, the Christ.”—Matthew 23:10.
Far from being a dangerous cult, Jehovah’s Witnesses practice a religion that benefits its members and others in the community. For example, our ministry has helped many people to overcome harmful addictions, such as the abuse of drugs and alcohol. In addition, we conduct literacy classes around the world, helping thousands learn to read and write. And we are actively involved in disaster relief. We work hard to have a positive impact on others, just as Jesus commanded his followers to do.—Matthew 5:13-16.______
The watchtower leadership lies, lies and lies. They lie from the top down. Everyone in the chain of command is expected to obfuscate, "give milk, not meat", deceive, and all around get a person do what they (the enforcers... because that's what they are) want them to do. The religion clearly has two faces. One is for the incoming recruits and "weaker" ones. One is the hardass rules and absolute life-control that the cult exerts over everything. Use your "bible trained conscience"? My eye. (another example of lies and obfuscation at work: http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/do-jehovahs-witnesses-ban-certain-entertainment/)
• If they tell you it's "not about you" (what they told my husband when they dragged him in front of a JC after i sent my DA letter)? That's a lie.
• If they tell you you won't get DF'd because you're "special" or "unique"? That's a lie. "Brazen" conduct is the new "loose" and is a blanket reason. Meaning, they can DF anyone for just about anything.
Do not meet with them. Make it clear your children are NOT to be spoken to without you present. Tell em you will get a lawyer if the harrassment continues. Threaten that you will get the media involved, too. You have power.Women are NOT respected by most of the males in the leadership positions. Nothing like having a sheep-herding visit and have some dipwit asking my husband's permission to come to the hospital for MY surgery. Makes a person want to shout, "I'M SITTING RIGHT HERE!"
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ALERT: NEW LAWSUIT settlement - $13 MILLION
by Watchtower-Free inhttp://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/135m-awarded-to-bible-teacher-gonzalo-campos-alleged-abuse-victim-jose-lopez-281031832.html.
(published thursday, oct 30, 2014).
thursday, oct 30, 2014 updated at 11:58 pm pdt.
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Barbara Anderson posted links on page 7 of this same thread we're posting in:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/child-abuse/286977/7/ALERT-NEW-LAWSUIT-settlement-2413-MILLION#5125033 -
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ALERT: NEW LAWSUIT settlement - $13 MILLION
by Watchtower-Free inhttp://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/135m-awarded-to-bible-teacher-gonzalo-campos-alleged-abuse-victim-jose-lopez-281031832.html.
(published thursday, oct 30, 2014).
thursday, oct 30, 2014 updated at 11:58 pm pdt.
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BOTR: No statutory duty to report sexual abuse existed at the time of these incidents.
Not the issue.
From the legal documents in the Conti case:---
First, Watchtower explains how (A)
since Watchtower did not have a special relationship with the Plaintiff (the child of a
congregation member), Watchtower did not have a duty to protect Plaintiff from
sexual abuse by Kendrick, nor did Watchtower have a duty to warn Plaintiff or her
2 parents about Kendrick's alleged past sexual abuse of his stepdaughter. Second,
Watchtower sets forth how (B) the trial court improperly excluded other parties from
sharing any responsibility for the harm claimed by the Plaintiff, and as a
consequence, targeted Watchtower's religious beliefs and practices on confidentiality
in a way that violated Watchtower's First Amendment rights under the Free Exercise
clauses of the United States and California Constitutions. Third, Watchtower
describes how (C) the trial court's imposition upon Watchtower of a duty to protect
with a duty to warn impermissibly entangled the jury in an examination and
assessment of Watchtower's religious beliefs, further violating fundamental
constitutional principles. Fourth, Watchtower demonstrates how (D) the trial court's
imposition upon Watchtower of a duty to protect with a duty to warn improperly
required Watchtower to label a person as a sex offender even though that person had
not been convicted of a crime, in violation of well-established rights to privacy,
liberty, and due process protected under both the United States and California
Constitutions.
[...]
Over Watchtower's objection, the trial court further ruled that based on Juarez
v. Boy Scouts of America, Inc. (2000) and Rowland v. Christian
(1968), Watchtower had a "special relationship" with Plaintiff
which gave rise to "a duty to take reasonable protective
measures to protect Candace Conti from the risk of sexual abuse by ... Kendrick."
The trial court also ruled, over Watchtower's objection, that it would instruct
the jury that in determining whether Watchtower took reasonable protective
measures, it "may consider the following: (1) The presence or absence of any
warning; (2) Whether or not any educational programs
were made available to plaintiff, her parents, or to other Jehovah's Witnesses from
the Fremont Congregation . . . for the purpose of sexual abuse education and
prevention; and (3) Such other facts and circumstances contained in the
evidentiary record here as to the presence or absence of protective measures."
Over Watchtower's objection, the trial court further instructed the jury that the
issues of privileged communications and mandatory child abuse reporting were
issues for the court to determine, not the jury. Watchtower objected to the court's privileged
communications instruction on grounds that it was not needed, it was incomplete, and
it would confuse and mislead the jury respecting the reasonableness of Watchtower's
claim of confidentiality based on church doctrine and policy regarding the reasons for
not warning congregation members about Kendrick's prior abuse of his stepdaughter.
Watchtower similarly objected to the court's mandatory child
abuse reporting instruction on the ground that it would confuse and mislead the jury
into believing that perhaps the North Fremont Congregation did have a legal duty to
report Kendrick's abuse of Andrea to the authorities in 1993, as Dr. Salter had
testified, even though California had no such reporting duty for clergy in 1993.
Verdict and Post-Verdict Proceedings.
On June 13, 2012, an Alameda County Superior Court jury returned a
compensatory damages verdict in favor of Plaintiff and against Appellants and
Kendrick for $7.0 million in general and special damages, finding Kendrick 60% at
fault, Watchtower 27% at fault, and North Fremont Congregation 13% at fault, and
further finding that Watchtower alone acted with malice.
The next day, the jury further awarded Plaintiff $21,000,001 in punitive
damages exclusively against Watchtower.
After a hearing on August 13,2012, the trial court entered its post-trial orders on August 24,
2012, denying Watchtower's JNOV motion and conditionally granting a new trial on
the punitive damages awarded against Watchtower unless the Plaintiff accepted
judgment in her favor on punitive damages claim in the amount of $8,610,000.
Subsequently, the Plaintiff accepted the reduced punitive damage
amount, and the court entered an Amended Judgment on September 17, 2012, in the
total gross sum of $11,488,000 against Watchtower and the local congregation.------------
As the old TV spots used to state: "reading is fundamental".
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ALERT: NEW LAWSUIT settlement - $13 MILLION
by Watchtower-Free inhttp://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/135m-awarded-to-bible-teacher-gonzalo-campos-alleged-abuse-victim-jose-lopez-281031832.html.
(published thursday, oct 30, 2014).
thursday, oct 30, 2014 updated at 11:58 pm pdt.
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BOTR: IF the WT has/had a secret database so they had notice of pedophiles in KHs, throw the book at them.
Chapter Five
Determining Whether a
Judicial Committee
Should Be Formed
[...]
10. Though this is not an exhaustive list, brazen
conduct may be involved in the following if the
wrongdoer has an insolent, contemptuous attitude
made evident by a practice of these things:
• Willful, continued, unnecessary association
with disfellowshipped nonrelatives despite
repeated counsel—Matt. 18:17b; 1 Cor, 5:11, 13;
2 John 10, 11; w81 9/15 pp. 25-26.
[...]
Evidence Establishing Wrongdoing
[...]
38. If wrongdoing has not been established
but serious questions have been raised, the body
of elders should appoint two elders to investigate
the matter promptly. For example, there may be
just one witness. If so, it would be loving for the witness
first to confront the accused and encourage him
to take the initiative to approach the elders . The elders
can then allow the accused a few days to approach
them. (For the witness by himself to confront
the accused may not be advisable in all cases—for example,
if the witness and the accused were involved
in sexual immorality together or if the witness was a
victim of incest or rape by the accused or is a child
and the victim of sexual abuse. Or it may be that the
witness is extremely timid.) Whether the witness approaches
the accused or not, the two elders appointed
should speak with the accused regarding the accusation—
w97 8/15 p. 27.
39. If the accused denies the accusation, the
investigating elders should try to arrange a meeting
with him and the accuser together. (Note: If the accusation
involves child sexual abuse and the victim
is currently a minor, the elders should contact the
branch office before arranging a meeting with the
child and the alleged abuser.) If the accuser or the accused
is unwilling to meet with the elders or if the accused
continues to deny the accusation of a single
witness and the wrongdoing is not established, the
elders will leave matters in Jehovah's hands. (Deut.19:15-17;
1 Tim. 5:19, 24, 25; w 9 5 ll/l pp. 28-29) The
investigating elders should compose a record, sign it,
put it in a sealed envelope, and place it In the congregation's
confidential file. Additional evidence may
later come to light to establish matters.---- "Shepherding the flock of God"
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Show this to the young ones in the congregation
by EdenOne inhopefully it will make them think.. .
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eden.
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Quarterback wrote:
Did Sir Paul get a Higher education?
from the original post:
"Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system has to offer."
Paul McCartney certainly fulfilled his career potential, imo.
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Wednesday, October 29
These men . . . are . . . disregarding
lordship and speaking abusively
of glorious ones.—Jude 8.
Obviously(?), such a spirit has no
place in the Christian congregation.
Older men in the congregation
are not perfect, just as they
were not perfect in the time of
the apostles. Elders may make
mistakes that affect us personally.
If that happens, how inappropriate
it would be for any member
of the congregation to react
according to the world’s spirit,
vehemently demanding “justice”
or that “something be done
about this brother”! Jehovah may
choose to overlook certain minor
failings. Can we not(? Why use a "not"
here, when leaving it out says the
same thing?) do the same?
Because of what they perceive
as defects in the elders, some individuals
who engage in serious
wrongdoing in the congregation (such as
questioning doctrine, or the source of
Governing Body's spiritual anointing,
although they claim not to be prophets,
etc)
have refused to appear before a
committee of elders assigned to
help them. This could be likened
to a patient who loses out on the
benefits of a treatment because
he does not like something about
the doctor.
w12 10/15 2:6, 7--------------
"This could be likened
to a patient who loses out on the
benefits of a treatment because
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Ya know, because going to a QUACK always works out in the end... NOT.------------------
Jude chapter 8 (NIV)
8 In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies, reject authority and heap abuse on celestial beings (in some translations: "glorious ones" = celestial beings, or angels).ALL English translations of Jude 8:
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The Blatant SEXISM of Watchtower!
by Island Man infrom my yahoo answers question here: .
"the bible says of deborah: "now deborah, a prophetess, the wife of lappidoth, was judging israel at that time.
5 she used to sit under the palm tree of deborah between ramah and bethel in the hill country of ephraim; and the sons of israel came up to her for judgment.
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All English translations of Judges 4:4
http://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Judges%204:4New International Version, with footnote:
4 Now Deborah, a prophet, the wife of Lappidoth, was leading[a] Israel at that time.
Footnotes:
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Watchtower Dec 2014 page 4
by Mr Fool inwt dec-2014 page4: "a bulgarian woman named irana rigthly observed, -it is not posspible to be close to god if you don t know his name.
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if so many know his name, why this debate "jehovah vs yahweh" then?.
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Wt Dec-2014 page4: "A bulgarian woman named Irana rigthly observed, -It is not posspible to be close to God if you don´t know his name. "
And yet one of the first things that takes place during and after completion of the initiation (indoctrination) process of high-control groups is the loss of the person's first name (as in, no longer used).
"brother"/"sister" so-and-so. So is it really possible to know your fellow congregant if you do not use their personal first name?
In the "Meet the Mormons" video, the young man was called "elder"-only, no longer using his first name.
It's a process. Part of that process is the loss of one's personal identity and merging with the hive-mind/mentality. That's why "elder" Fields (the young man in the mormon documentary) no longer felt the need to talk alone whatsoever with the interviewer. What could be asked of him that his companions could not answer for/with him?
Oh, I don't know... how about how you were getting on after being forced to isolate yourself from your family and friends for 2 years? Are you okay? You had been crying earlier... have you settled out, figured out how to carry on from there?
JWSurvey has the video linked inside this article:
http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/comparing-cults-the-most-effective-way-to-wake-up-a-loved-oneLordy. Cults suck.
