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Sam's watch

by Slidin Fast in

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i just started to watch the february broadcast when i noticed a metallic rattle over the drone of sam's voice.

(does that man speak with a mouth full of chowin' tobacco or is he choking on the rubbish he reads off the autocue?).

yep it's his rolex.

There are actually fan sites for replica watches, including the Rolex brand. Interesting to note: there is NO patent on any watch design. The LOGO ("Rolex" and little crown) are trademarked. That's it. But even good quality knock-offs don't come cheap. You would have to be a jewler and a damned good one, in order to tell the difference. Mostly (if I remember correctly) the internal workings do not use titanium and other expensive

A "showy display of one's means of life" is probably the real thrust here. Both Tony Morris and Samuel Herd hide their left watch-wearing wrists under the table during the majority of their respective time on JW TV.

Also, this:
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20130815/consider-kind-person-you-ought-to-be/

Which cites this:

(NIV translation) 1 John 2:15, 16
On Not Loving the World

15 Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father[d] is not in them. 16 For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world. 17 The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever.

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(New World Translation version) 1 John 2:15, 16

15 Do not love either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him; 16 because everything in the world—the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one’s means of life—does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world.

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How much real Integrity does the average JW have ?

by Phizzy in

consider the definition of integrity given below :.

" the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.. "a gentleman of complete integrity".

synonyms:.

Gentledawn

JWs required to report [confidential] medical information to elders

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/91765/jws-required-report-medical-information-elders?page=1

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Look up the (JW) term: "Theocratic Warfare" (hint: it sanctions lying, saying it is a-okay for JWs to LIE)

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The tetragrammaton does not appear anywhere in the Christian Greek scriptures.

So, what name appears at Romans 10:13?
http://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Romans%2010:13
^ ALL English translations say "Lord".

So, the watchtower society/governing body decided to place the word "jehovah" (itself a bastardization/amalgam of YHWH and the vowels from "Adonias", which means "LORD") in nearly every instance the word "Lord" appears in the New Testament. But does the scripture cited from Romans chapter 10 verse 13 mean Jehovah? No. How can you find out the facts?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans+10&version=NIV

Look up the verses in Romans immediately prior to verse 13: they are speaking about the Messiah, Jesus.

Double check that leg work: Look up Acts 4:12.
- "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”

Just the name "Jesus". NOT Jehovah.

Here it is in context: Acts 4:8-12
8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them: “Rulers and elders of the people! 9 If we are being called to account today for an act of kindness shown to a man who was lame and are being asked how he was healed, 10 then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. 11 Jesus is
“‘the stone you builders rejected,
which has become the cornerstone.’

12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”

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The New World Translation manufactured and distributed by the Watchtower is packed full of lies and sly deceptions. They tell their enforcers (aka "elders") to lie and obfuscate all the time.

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During the Gordon Leighton court trial in the UK, 3 elders used the "clergy/laity privilege" as a defense, as to why they could not confirm a confessed pedophiles confession to the crime.

Meanwhile, the Watchtower is claiming zero responsibility in the Candice Conti court case because they have no responsibility towards the lay congregation. They (the leadership) do not direct anyone to hide information. There is no hierarchy in the congregations like that. Except that is exactly what the elders are directed to do when their "2 witness" rule bottoms out. They write a confidential record about the child molestation, sign it, write a date, put it in an envelope and store it in the KH's "confidential report"

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"Jehovah has helped the faithful and discreet slave to become steadily more discreet"

by EndofMysteries in

"as we might expect, over the years jehovah has helped the faithful and discreet slave to become steadily more discreet.

" 3/2015 study wt.

i guess they just admitted their self title as the discreet slave was not discreet.

Gentledawn

Christians that we must be impartial in rendering aid to those in need, especially in a spiritual sense.

Yeah, rank and file (note: NOT the leadership itself). Hop to it.

Can't believe the leadership/organization as a whole get away with not paying any taxes AND claim to be a "charity". This organization is about as much a "Charity" as my sock and underwear drawer.

James 2:16

16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it?

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"Jehovah has helped the faithful and discreet slave to become steadily more discreet"

by EndofMysteries in

"as we might expect, over the years jehovah has helped the faithful and discreet slave to become steadily more discreet.

" 3/2015 study wt.

i guess they just admitted their self title as the discreet slave was not discreet.

Gentledawn

Anointing =

In ancient times, done with oil to one(s) who were to become king(s).

Jesus lifetime? Nope. Remember, they wanted to make HIM king.

Post-Jesus lifetime? Spirit-anointing done at Pentecost. NOT before Pentecost.

After Pentecost? = bupkis. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

Peter had visions, god-given perceptions and that's about it.

Take-away: Jesus wasn't speaking to his "anointed" disciples prior to his death, because they were regular everyday, run-of-the-mill Joes prior to Pentecost. But once Pentecost happened, it was NEVER repeated again. And it was a display for the pilgrims who came to Jerusalem from all corners of the known world for the festival, who spoke different tongues/languages and dialects, in order to show them (the pilgrims) that Christians had God's backing, and no longer the Jews.

1 Corinthians 13:8
8 Love [different translations: Charity; free forgiveness from god] never fails!

Everyone who prophesies
will stop,
and unknown languages
will no longer
be spoken.
All that we know
will be forgotten.

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ALL english translations of that chapter and verse:
http://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/1%20Corinthians%2013:8

If the Gov Body claim to have "anointing" like the blessing during Pentecost, then lets hear em speak in ALL languages and dialects. THAT was its purpose at the time, not some weird, ass-backward interpretation for kinghood.

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Elders removed in Northern PA. Congregation

by ToesUp in

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a close family member just informed me what happened during their last c.o.

visit.

this occurred 3 months ago.

Gentledawn

"indecisive" could be coded language (see: weasel words) for not sending in any additional monies that the Society feels entitled to. If the CO were to stand at the podium, penis in hand, and start telling the congregation that the elder body was trying to withhold/keep some of their money (the congregation money that rightfully belongs to them) , then that might wake up more than a handful of audience members who are in the know.

And stating it like that ("indecisive") makes it sound like the elders were not moving as they should, when the reality could be that they never had any intention to send anything extra from the accounts.

Of course, this is all speculation.

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Elders removed in Northern PA. Congregation

by ToesUp in

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a close family member just informed me what happened during their last c.o.

visit.

this occurred 3 months ago.

Gentledawn

Toward the end of his talk he stated that 2 - 3 elders and their families would be moving from neighboring halls to their kingdom hall to help out and will begin to serve on the elder body.

Asbury Heights (Laurel Hills) was the congo sharing the kingdom hall with Asbury Woods. Perhaps the elders will be brought from further out, rather than using ones from a sister congregation like that? Doubtful that they'd use any from that close (literally right next door), imo.

Just verified. Asbury Woods Congregation, Erie, PA.

Like someone stated earlier, proof and/or some sort of confirmation would be nice.

Asbury Woods/Forest Hills. They had a reputation for coldness, aloofness, and a touch of affluence. Alot of em were educated. It may be money. It might be attitude. For a hall with 2 congregations, they never covered their territories and usually had Girard and other outliers coming in temporarily to cover things within a given time span.

They did have another elder shake up nearly 2 decades ago. I'm not privy to all the details, but they "lost" most of their elders back then, too.

Oh, and they had absolutely NO problem with being SOBs (verbal abuse, DFs, etc), especially toward women. And it did not matter one wit if they actually knew you, or if it happened right in the middle of the auditorium after a meeting. Granted, it was only a handful of the Enforcers who were mean-spirited and belligerent like that, but none of the others ever stepped up to oppose em when any of it took place.

Ha.

And why did they sell their old Kingdom hall again and built the new one on Asbury road? Ya know, the old one on Rt 832 that is now a functional funeral home? Because the reasons given were that the building was unsound, unfixable, or some such crap. Yup. That's why it's still standing and in use today.

So glad to be out of that cult as a whole. Lies, lies, and more lies.

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Elders removed in Northern PA. Congregation

by ToesUp in

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a close family member just informed me what happened during their last c.o.

visit.

this occurred 3 months ago.

Gentledawn

This congregation is in Erie, PA.

Any more specific info?

Asbury Woods congregation immediately comes to mind, but I don't want to assume anything.

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Montreal Gazette: 'Homosexuals like you in tight pants,' JW leader says

by AndersonsInfo in

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http://montrealgazette.com/life/turning-the-page-homosexuals-like-you-in-tight-pants-jehovahs-witness-leader-says-reportsturning the page: 'homosexuals like you in tight pants,' jehovah's witness leader says reportsjillian page, montreal gazette more from jillian page, montreal gazette.

published on: november 12, 2014 last updated: november 12, 2014 11:33 pm est.

skin-tight pants are a no-no in public, church leader says,.

Gentledawn

MTV Music Award 2009: Eminem and "Bruno" (Sacha Baron Cohen)

(NSFW) :

http://i59.tinypic.com/2mobbsn.jpg

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Elders are going to the CO on me

by cognac in

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i celebrated halloween and my birthday and the elders have been told.

husband told the elders i've called the religion a cult.

they said i'm "heading down a road to be an apostate.

Gentledawn

Typical go-to question dropped by the Elderberries which they apparently think is a real "gotcha!":

"Do you believe the governing body[i.e. mere men] are god's channel of communication on earth today?"

http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/are-jehovahs-witnesses-a-cult/

Are Jehovah’s Witnesses a Cult?

No, Jehovah’s Witnesses are not a cult. Rather, we are Christians who do our best to follow the example set by Jesus Christ and to live by his teachings.

What is a cult?

The term “cult” means different things to different people. However, consider two common perceptions regarding cults and why those perceptions don’t apply to us.

• Some think of a cult as being a new or unorthodox religion. Jehovah’s Witnesses have not invented a new religion. On the contrary, we pattern our worship after that of the first-century Christians, whose example and teachings were recorded in the Bible. (2 Timothy 3:16, 17) We believe that the Holy Scriptures should be the authority on what is orthodox in matters of worship.

•Some think of a cult as being a dangerous religious sect with a human leader[s]. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not look to any human as their leader. Rather, we adhere to the standard that Jesus set for his followers when he stated: “Your Leader is one, the Christ.”—Matthew 23:10.

Far from being a dangerous cult, Jehovah’s Witnesses practice a religion that benefits its members and others in the community. For example, our ministry has helped many people to overcome harmful addictions, such as the abuse of drugs and alcohol. In addition, we conduct literacy classes around the world, helping thousands learn to read and write. And we are actively involved in disaster relief. We work hard to have a positive impact on others, just as Jesus commanded his followers to do.—Matthew 5:13-16.

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The watchtower leadership lies, lies and lies. They lie from the top down. Everyone in the chain of command is expected to obfuscate, "give milk, not meat", deceive, and all around get a person do what they (the enforcers... because that's what they are) want them to do. The religion clearly has two faces. One is for the incoming recruits and "weaker" ones. One is the hardass rules and absolute life-control that the cult exerts over everything. Use your "bible trained conscience"? My eye. (another example of lies and obfuscation at work: http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/do-jehovahs-witnesses-ban-certain-entertainment/)

• If they tell you it's "not about you" (what they told my husband when they dragged him in front of a JC after i sent my DA letter)? That's a lie.
• If they tell you you won't get DF'd because you're "special" or "unique"? That's a lie. "Brazen" conduct is the new "loose" and is a blanket reason. Meaning, they can DF anyone for just about anything.

Do not meet with them. Make it clear your children are NOT to be spoken to without you present. Tell em you will get a lawyer if the harrassment continues. Threaten that you will get the media involved, too. You have power.

Women are NOT respected by most of the males in the leadership positions. Nothing like having a sheep-herding visit and have some dipwit asking my husband's permission to come to the hospital for MY surgery. Makes a person want to shout, "I'M SITTING RIGHT HERE!"

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ALERT: NEW LAWSUIT settlement - $13 MILLION

by Watchtower-Free in

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/135m-awarded-to-bible-teacher-gonzalo-campos-alleged-abuse-victim-jose-lopez-281031832.html.

(published thursday, oct 30, 2014).

thursday, oct 30, 2014 updated at 11:58 pm pdt.

Gentledawn

Barbara Anderson posted links on page 7 of this same thread we're posting in:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/child-abuse/286977/7/ALERT-NEW-LAWSUIT-settlement-2413-MILLION#5125033