Posts by baldeagle

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QFR August 15, 2014 - Resurrection and Marriage

by wisdomfrombelow in

the article addressed luke 20:34-36 and now they finally admit jesus could have been referring to the heavenly resurrection.

they said "put simply, the answer is that we cannot say" which is surprising because they have something to say about everything.

perhaps all the old people who are waiting the new world as widow and widowers want to know if they have a chance to be reunited with their dead loved one.

baldeagle

This subject is receiving a lot of attention in many congregations. As mentioned some are comforted and happy that this article says, “It is possible that Jesus’ words about marrying and the resurrection apply to the heavenly resurrection.” Now factor in the great capacity for hope, imagination and expectation that JW’s uniquely have. Even with all the changes and flip-flops they will view this as the right understanding finally.

We all know this subject has been addressed numerous times in “Questions From Readers.” It had been very troubling for many individuals. The October 15, 1967 WT already mentioned here made these comments as well:

“It is understandable that Christians might be concerned about marriage prospects in the resurrection, since the strongest human emotional ties are often with regard to one’s mate. Many faithful servants of God who look forward to living forever on earth and whose mates have died would like to have support for their hope that they could be reunited as husband and wife in the resurrection. While not being callous to their sincere feelings, we must admit that apparently Jesus’ words apply to the earthly resurrection, and they indicate that those resurrected will not marry or be reunited in a marriage relationship with former mates.”

“This has long been understood and taught by Jehovah’s witnesses. As far back as The Watchtower of November 15, 1904, page 345, we read in a discussion of these verses: “True the glorified Church will not marry, but there is no reference here to the Church class, the Bride class. The question did not refer to saints, but to any ordinary Jews under the Law. . . . Nothing in the illustration implied that either the woman or any of her husbands were followers of the Lord.”

“As indicated by correspondence we have received, this conclusion is one difficult for some to accept because of the strong influence of human emotions. While we can sincerely sympathize with those who have lost mates in death, we must honestly admit that the conclusion discussed above is the one suggested in the Scriptures.”

This teaching needed to change and also provide a veneer or appearance of hope and possibility to all those still troubled.

“Evidently” Jesus thought the year 2014 was the right time to do it!!

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QFR August 15, 2014 - Resurrection and Marriage

by wisdomfrombelow in

the article addressed luke 20:34-36 and now they finally admit jesus could have been referring to the heavenly resurrection.

they said "put simply, the answer is that we cannot say" which is surprising because they have something to say about everything.

perhaps all the old people who are waiting the new world as widow and widowers want to know if they have a chance to be reunited with their dead loved one.

baldeagle

Get used to it, just one of many changes and adjustments still to come.

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30th Anniversary of THAT classic 1914 WT front cover

by wizzstick in

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please join with me, and celebrate the 30th anniversary of the classic wt with the front cover which boldly proclaimed that the generation of 1914 would never pass away.. the cover date of the that wt is infact this very day so let us raise a glass to this clear sign they have god's backing:.

in this the 100th anniversary of our lords return (invisibly of course brothers) it is a fine and appropriate thing to do..

baldeagle

Great reminder thanks.

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WT 2014 - 08 - 15 ..... but congregations are not required to do this.

by fastJehu in

you are older?

you have no pc or tablet?

you can't handle computers?.

baldeagle

When I last attended five years ago the printer was in the elder’s private boardroom. Regular low life publishers did not enter this “holy place.” My wife who recently did KH cleaning says the printer is now next to a computer. I presume elders use it to access the website for letters, forms etc.

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Demons and the Witnesses

by corpusdei in

ok, this one is a little long, but i think it's worth reading.

in putting this together, i came across a fair amount of interesting information about the witnesses and their belief in demons.

there's a lot that i'll be interested to put to the next witness i come acoss (if any of them still quite dare to talk to me after last time.

baldeagle

Marked for reading later.

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10 Pragmatic facts why Jehovah's Witnesses can't face reality

by Terry in

jw
friends

1.the organization itself denies access to reality and substitutes its own version, interpretations and meanings.. a.only watchtower approved publications are allowed.. b.no higher education is to be pursued.. c.no non-jw friends or associations are encouraged with their "outside" points of view.. d.no free-style questioning of doctrine or criticism permitted.

curiousity is verboten.. e.threat of being "marked" or disassociated looms over them.

2.between every real-world event and the rank and file jw's mind is a roadblock.. a.the moment of identifying is short-circuited by an interpretive moment of re-labeling in watchtower-speak.. b.all things happening are forced into a narrow storyline and propagandized as end times happenings leading to armageddon.. 3.social and personal identity is expunged and replaced by a collective persona: "jehovah's witness".. a.private thinking is red-flagged as selfish and sinful.. b.personal improvement, welfare and ambition is crushed and door-to-door ministry substituted as "worthy" endeavors.. c.self-conscious obsession permeates witness awareness as each person is transformed into a public spectacle of performance for judgement.. d.since you aren't an individual you don't really have a right to fall in love and marry or educate or earn.

baldeagle

Well done Terry. Thanks.

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Apostate crashes Memorial (update)

by raymond frantz in

the recent video of tony prime where he crashed the memorial made me think how the memorial has changed in recent years ,the layout of the talk ,the lack of jesus and his sufferings.

how do you think the memorial has changed in recent years ?.

video of apostate crashing the memorial.

baldeagle

This guy’s actions are childish and undignified. He’s not the only one that’s been screwed over by the WTS.

It’s a “bad witness” for all ex-JW’s.

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Aposate crashes the memorial!

by Batman89 in

i should have posted this a few weeks ago, anyways this guy tony prime has guts!.

check it!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uadqh8-3qa0&list=uu7urkksine92mtdj2s33gwq.

baldeagle

This guy’s actions are childish and undignified. He’s not the only one that’s been screwed over by the WTS.

It’s a “bad witness” for all ex-JW’s.

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OK..Seriously..Has GOD ever answered your prayers????

by DATA-DOG in

look...i am not an atheist.

even so, i have never had one prayer answered my entire life.

the only thing that would even come close was learning ttatt.

baldeagle

The Searchersaid: “Why should God favour wonderful little me over them? I cringe when I hear a fellow Witness attribute the acquisition of a house or job (or even 100 chickens!) to our Creator answering their prayer! It portrays God not only as partial, but also evil, because he didn't answer the prayers of those in the tsunami, the twin towers, or every other major disaster or man-made atrocity! Just be thankful for what you have, and bear in mind and heart those poor souls who don't!”

I was always privately annoyed at JW’s that prayed for a sign, direction or some visible evidence as to what decision to make. This would often involve employment, buying, selling, getting married, having children, pioneering and on and on. I often thought that’s why God gave you a magnificent brain, use it wisely. Then I read this in a WT magazine.

September 1, 2001 p. 28 How You Can Make Good Decisions

“Should we, like Gideon, ask for ‘fleece tests,’ signs from Jehovah to show us the way to go? One couple wondered whether they should move to serve where there was a greater need for Kingdom preachers. To help them decide, they arranged a test. They put their house up for sale at a certain price. If the house sold by a certain date at the stated price or higher, they would take it as an indication that God wanted them to make the move. If the house failed to sell, they would conclude that God did not want them to move.

The house failed to sell. Was that an indication that Jehovah did not want this couple to serve where the need was greater? Of course, it would be presumptuous to state categorically what Jehovah does or does not do for his servants. We cannot say that today Jehovah never intervenes to demonstrate his will for us. (Isaiah 59:1) However, we do not have a right to expect such intervention in our major decisions, in effect leaving our decision making to God. Why, even Gideon for most of his life had to make decisions without miraculous signs from Jehovah!”

So I believe the Bible gives us life accounts that spell out consequences for certain decisions. Our parents taught us this, as well as our own personal observations of our peers at school at work etc.

There was a brother in my hall 7-8 years ago. He was healthy all his life, his wife regular pioneered for decades, they both made sacrifices, they had no children. The man was in his 50’s and you couldn’t find a more loving, gracious gentleman anywhere. He went in for a routine removal of this tumor on his kidney. I was told he was terrified to be going under the knife. He and his wife prayed fervently for weeks. On the morning of the surgery they both supplicated God together for a positive outcome, and guidance on the surgeon and his team. The surgery was in the morning, I went to my mid-week meeting that night. He was dead by the end of the meeting.

Did God abandon this loving brother and skip listening to his prayers, of course not. I’m sure that same hospital & doctor operated on Catholics, Buddhists, and atheists with many positive results.

The prayer had no bearing on the outcome. If no prayers had been said the same results would have occurred for this brother. God is not intervening and giving anyone a special or unique advantage over another person, through prayer. People survive surgeries everyday regardless of their lifestyle or faith.

Prayers are not right or wrong, but they are personal. If it is something you need to do, no one should judge you.

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Why are you looking forward to 1872? Er, 1873? Um...1874? Oh, I mean 1975?

by AndDontCallMeShirley in

"why are you looking forward to 1872?".

.. "in this chapter we present the bible evidence which indicates that six thousand years from the creation of adam were complete with a.d. 1872; and hence that, since a.d. 1872 are chronologically entered upon the seventh thousand or the millennium.

" (studies in the scriptures, vol.

baldeagle

AndDontCallMeShirley Thanks for all the references. Far too many sincere well-meaning ordinary families were hurt by all this hype and buildup around this year. Selling homes, quitting good jobs etc.

I remember a brother, a friend of mine telling me when he was a kid, his father bought a new house in mid-1974. The response from the congregation including the PO was caustic, along the lines, “Are you crazy? Aren’t you listening to the talks and counsel coming from the organization? You’ll never live in that house it’s only going to be a distraction, where’s your faith my brother? A few short years later that chastised “faithless” brother became the new Congregation Overseer, raising his kids in a nice new home. The original PO who was involved in the ridiculing fell away due to the 1975 fiasco.

Others brothers used this special “insider information” about 1975 to their self-righteous benefit. They arranged for a “balloon payment” to be made on a loan or mortgage for after 1975. These thought they would take advantage of the coming “end” to banks and loan obligations & outsmart this wicked dying old world. What a shock when the financial system was still around in 1976, 77,78,79…...asking for their money back.