Posts by baldeagle

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Grounds for divorce and other questions

by new boy in

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doing research for my book.

since i no longer have any of of the watchtower bible and truck society publications.

1. was it true (and believe it was) that in the nineteen sixties that even if one of the marriage mates was a homosexual that this was not concerned grounds for divorce?.

baldeagle

new boy, I think this is what you were looking for.

Questions From Readers (WT Jan 1st, 1972 pp.31-32) Do homosexual acts on the part of a married person constitute Scriptural ground for divorce, freeing the innocent mate to remarry? -U.S.A.

“Whether an innocent mate would Scripturally be able to remarry after procuring a legal divorce from a mate guilty of homosexual acts must be determined on the basis of what the Bible says respecting divorce and remarriage.

In homosexual acts the sex organs are used in an unnatural way, in a way for which they were never purposed. Two persons of the same sex are not complements of each other, as Adam and Eve were. They could never become “one flesh” in order to procreate. It might be added, in the case of human copulation with a beast, two different kinds of flesh are involved. Wrote the apostle Paul: “Not all flesh is the same flesh, but there is one of mankind, and there is another flesh of cattle, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish.”—1 Cor. 15:39.

While both homosexuality and bestiality are disgusting perversions, in the case of neither one is the marriage tie broken. It is broken only by acts that make an individual “one flesh” with a person of the opposite sex other than his or her legal marriage mate.”

My Observation:

Weren’t these guys simply brilliant? Countless JW wives were forced to remain with their husbands who practiced this lifestyle. She was also obligated to “render her due.” These trapped wives experienced heartache and despair & could not obtain a scriptural divorce. Of course New Light later flashed forward as usual changing this understanding.

Personally, I do not think they will address or discuss anything more ever, regarding sexual activities beyond what is presently written.

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Need help understanding the Overlapping Generation teaching

by Jules Saturn in

so this is a topic that seriously boggles my mind and please correct me if i'm wrong.

to me, the jw definition of the overlapping generation teaching is that the lives of the anointed from 1914 overlap with the lives of the anointed right now.

david splane used the example of fred franz and how he finished his "earthly course" in 1992 but while he did, he had a lot of "contemporaries" that outlived him and are currently living today.

baldeagle

The WT leaders have attempted to explain on several occasions how; "the overlapping generation" has to involve "two groups of anointed Christians." These two groups must be "anointed contemporaries" of each other. Also understood are those, "in this second group are themselves advancing in years."

The WTS is trying to emphasize that the second group are quite elderly “advanced in years” in so doing; this should stress the nearness of Armageddon. They have basically gone back to their original idea that these anointed ones are getting old, and will not “pass away before seeing the start of the great tribulation.” This should instill a sense of urgency for JW’s that “little time remains.” It’s the same old doctrine just incorporating or allowing another generation to piggyback on it. It’s all made-up, designed to keep JW’s on the edge believing that the end is “just around the corner.”

Their being locked into the year 1914 is causing all this insanity in trying to teach a doctrine that makes no sense. In time, they will just piggyback a third group onto the first two when this teaching becomes unsustainable.

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Elders meet with Pioneers & Missionaries Dec 2017- Jan 2018

by wifibandit in

elders meet with regular pioneers, special pioneers, and field missionaries program for december 2017 through january 2018 s-211-18-e 9/17.

baldeagle

One of the scenarios for discussion below.

“Situation: A brother who has pioneered for a number of years faces financial difficulties and becomes discouraged. He begins to wonder what his life could have been if he had pursued higher education and obtained a well-paying job?”

It would appear that worldwide there must be numerous troubled and disgruntled pioneers. Many must be quietly reviewing their lives and not liking what they see. In recent years, WT study articles have regularly addressed whether JW’s are experiencing feelings of regret over the sacrifices they have made and getting old in this system etc.

2013 January 15 p. 26, Serving Without Regrets

15 What about those of you who have made sacrifices to serve Jehovah full-time? Perhaps you gave up a promising career or a successful business to simplify your life and have more time for Kingdom pursuits. Or perhaps you remained unmarried or if married, decided to forgo having children to make yourself available for an avenue of full-time service that otherwise would not have been possible for you—Bethel service, international construction work, circuit work, or missionary service. Should you regret those decisions now as you grow older in Jehovah’s service? Should you feel that the sacrifices you made were unnecessary or ill-timed? Not at all!

16 You made those decisions on the basis of your deep love for Jehovah and an earnest desire to help others who wanted to serve him. You need not think that you would have been better off had you lived your life differently. You can have the deep satisfaction of knowing that you did what you knew to be right in your case. You can rejoice in having done your very best to serve Jehovah. He will not forget your life of self-sacrifice. In the real life yet to come, he will reward you with blessings far better than any you can now imagine! Ps. 145:16; 1 Tim. 6:19.

Thanks to wifibandit for providing this talk, outline. My conclusions after reading this material...

#NotTheBestLifeEver

#WhatAGullibleFoolIWas

#IWantMyLifeBack

#INeedATimeMachine

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interesting EX-CO AMA ( Ask Me Anything) over on exjwreddit

by Diogenesister in

ex-circuit overseer here, ama.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/6usaky/excircuit_overseer_here_ama/.

baldeagle

Thanks for all this information about being a CO and your personal experiences.

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2017 Sunday RC Final Talk & Comments About 1975

by baldeagle in

many of us here have commented on the deceitful friday afternoon video shown at the 2017 rc that discussed 1975.. the video attempted to shift the blame onto congregation members for the fiasco saying, "some were looking to a certain date as signifying the end of this old system of things.".

this same video mentions how, “a few even went so far as selling their homes and quitting their jobs.”.

we all know that the wt leadership created this teaching and endorsed it right up to its abject failure.. now below is the concluding talk given on sunday at the rc.

baldeagle

Many of us here have commented on the deceitful Friday afternoon video shown at the 2017 RC that discussed 1975.

The video attempted to shift the blame onto congregation members for the fiasco saying, "Some were looking to a certain date as signifying the end of this old system of things."

This same video mentions how, “A few even went so far as selling their homes and quitting their jobs.”

We all know that the WT leadership created this teaching and endorsed it right up to its abject failure.

Now below is the concluding talk given on Sunday at the RC. In the talk, the speaker refers to the late 1960’s and early 70’s saying that, “Back then many of us believed that the end was going to come in 1975.” The speaker admits that he and his family “thought the end could come by 1975.”

He further adds that these expectations caused his mother and brother to start pioneering in 1971, himself in 1972 and his father sold their house in 1973 etc.

Watch From: 1.00 (1 hour mark) until around the 1.05 (1 hour 5 min mark).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TtVsCthapQ

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jwartwork.org

by bs_since_1870s in

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i just updated my website, any feedback is welcome!.

jwartwork.org.

baldeagle

A religion ruling through the constant use of fear and a promise of a false hope for the future that never arrives.

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2017 Convention Video To Be Shown Regarding The 1975 Failure

by pale.emperor in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go3arnnsfkk&feature=youtu.be.

no mention whatsoever that it was watchtower themselves that strongly hinted towards this date.

instead they blame those who "put their trust in a date, not jehovah".. let's recap... .

baldeagle

This video re-enactment of the 1975 debacle is troubling on several levels, as many have stated here in this discussion. It seems the most disturbing, offensive area we all agree on is the blatant dishonesty, in view of all the recorded articles proving that the WT leadership created this teaching and endorsed it right up to its abject failure.

Of the 7 GB members, Mark Sanderson being the youngest would have made him about 10 years old in 1975; therefore, it had no real impact on him a young kid at the time. However, the other six men range in age from Samuel Herd around 82...down to Geoffrey Jackson about age 62 and various ages in between. These men would all have full knowledge of the teachings from GB 1.0 and lived through the feelings and reactions in the congregations.

What I find disturbing is how galling it is that they can try to distort the facts that are irrefutable as to the origin of this teaching. Are these men that claim a special spiritual enlightenment and a future “brother” of Christ so far fallen in their decency? Seriously, can they look themselves in the mirror each morning and really feel no shame for these fabricated and fraudulent videos?

On another note depending on where you lived and how much a “true believer” you were, 1975 did receive a variety of responses. Some continued living their lives as usual working, raising families, waiting to see what would actually happen.

I remember a brother, a friend of mine telling me when he was a kid, his father bought a new house in early 1974. The response from the congregation including his PO was scathing, along the lines, “Are you crazy? Aren’t you listening to the talks and counsel coming from the organization? You will never live in that house it’s only going to be a distraction, where’s your faith? A few short years later that chastised so-called “faithless” brother became the new Presiding Overseer, raising his kids in that nice new home. The original PO who was involved in the ridiculing fell away due to the 1975 fiasco.

Also, I personally know of two family men each with young children at the time (11-14 yrs. old) who felt compelled due to their faith and interpretation of things to sell their houses in 1973. The end never came. Over the years, they both exhausted their savings by renting and day-to-day expenses and were unable to re-enter the housing market. One is deceased the other is 87 years old still paying rent from a measly government pension.

The GB leadership whether today or 80 years ago has a lot to answer for; they have indeed ruined a countless number of lives of people who were mostly sincere and believed they were doing God’s will.

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Watchtower’s 53 Date Failures -- Prophetic Declarations Quietly Abandoned

by FatFreek 2005 in

below is a paste of the front of my recent essay.

ask most jws today and they'll tell you that, yes, watchtower has made a few mistakes -- that there are a couple date failures -- 1925 -- and maybe another one they can't even remember.. lest they forget, the following should jog their collective memories as to how egregious watchtower has been in their obsession with date predictions (oh, but we don't make predictions, they may tell you) over the 138 years of watchtower history.. len miller.

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baldeagle

Great document. Thanks so much for all your research.

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2.16.2017 NJ Star-Ledger Ad: "Were you sexually abused by the Jehovahs Witnesses?"

by breakfast of champions in

my wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.

pretty telling.. .

baldeagle

It's about time let's hope this crime will finally get the full attention and exposure it needs. These WTS leaders are wishing the Internet was never invented. As the saying goes, “the genie is out of the bottle” for the WT.

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"Just around the corner." The dumbest song that I have ever heard..

by DATA-DOG in

i'm at my quasi-thanksgiving dinner with relatives.

i hear a haunting sound from another room.

"is that a children's song?

baldeagle

This religion has gone off the rails. Each month is getting more bizarre than the last!!!

Where in blazes is their PR department? Surely some near the top must be cringing at these productions!!

They are truly embarrassing themselves.