Same old, same old.
baldeagle
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What is the deal with the "this is the last memorial" comments from my JW?
by jambon1 inthe guy i know was saying this the other day.. "it's been suggested this may be the last one", or words to that effect.. where & by whom?.
is this doing the rounds?.
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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"
by DATA-DOG inas of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.
when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.
this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.
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baldeagle
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Bullet list of major (recent) changes
by RN init is with great interest that i recently read ceders article on the decline of the wts.
his article along with many of the comments really drives home just how many major changes there have been in a fairly short peroid of time.. somewhere in the recent past i could swear that someone had posted a bullet list of major changes with the corresponding year.
when i saw this (or something like it) my first thought was that this simple list made it all the more shocking; and since i have searched and cannot find anything like it.. so i dug around and started one of my own, please feel free to add/corrects events.
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baldeagle
Gilead members are to be hand selected under the new arrangement for selection. Only by invitation. As of 2011 I think?
In a letter dated November 6, 2013, it was announced that a new school will replace the Bible School for Single Brothers (formerly known as the Ministerial Training School, or MTS) as well as the recently formed Bible School for Christian Couples. Single sisters are now welcome at this new training school called, “School for Kingdom Evangelizers.”
In addition to accepting single sisters for the first time, Watchtower is now welcoming older Witnesses after raising its age limit for applicants to 65. Those applying between the ages of 50 and 65 have been told that they must be self-sufficient (meaning they can provide for themselves) and in no need of financial or medical assistance from the organization.
Students of the new school must be prepared to be reassigned to new congregations after graduating.
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How many changes since you have been out?
by done4good inpixel's boe letter made me think of this.
i have been out since january 2006. here are the ones i can think of:.
1. deletion of cong.
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baldeagle
Gilead members are to be hand selected under the new arrangement for selection. Only by invitation. As of 2011 I think?
In a letter dated November 6, 2013, it was announced that a new school will replace the Bible School for Single Brothers (formerly known as the Ministerial Training School, or MTS) as well as the recently formed Bible School for Christian Couples. Single sisters are now welcome at this new training school called, “School for Kingdom Evangelizers.”
In addition to accepting single sisters for the first time, Watchtower is now welcoming older Witnesses after raising its age limit for applicants to 65. Those applying between the ages of 50 and 65 have been told that they must be self-sufficient (meaning they can provide for themselves) and in no need of financial or medical assistance from the organization.
Students of the new school must be prepared to be reassigned to new congregations after graduating.
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My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT
by cofty in10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.
12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.
15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.
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baldeagle
Thanks. The points are well made and easy to follow.
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The Judicial Committee videos in english
by confusedandalone innot sure if this has been posted but the jwsurvey site received the videos in english from someone.. this crap is pathetic to watch.
how to counsel someone who is suicidal... really.
http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/doubts-over-organizational-solidarity-as-disturbing-video-on-handling-suicide-is-leaked.
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baldeagle
I faded almost five years ago. Some brothers who still talk to me are active elders. Two I know completed their five day elder’s school. One had to book off vacation time from work and the other took time off from his own business. This is what I’m missing. How sad!! It’s truly pathetic to see, how low the quality and love in this religion has become.
Depression is very high. This depression is being caused by many situations not even involving the death of a family member. One of my elder friends who still converses with me said that many elders are having a hard time putting on their “game face.” They too are feeling that the “end” is not as near as expected. Many elders’ wives are displaying signs of wear and tear showing less enthusiasm at the meetings than ever before.
There appears to be a general feeling of malaise and discontentment in the congregations that has become very hard to reverse. The recent WT articles dealing with “having regrets” and dwelling on past decisions we made etc, is a reflection of the mood in the congregations. Yes even those that were typical go-getters and optimistic are feeling down!
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 02-09-2014 WT Study (QUICKLY SHAKEN)
by blondie inthe wts?.
we request of you not to be quickly shaken from your reason.2 thess.
(1 tim.
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baldeagle
Thanks for the summary, Blondie.
Your hard work is greatly appreciated.
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Why Thousands of years instead of Billions???
by Bloody Hotdogs! injws have long ascribed billions of years to the age of the earth, yet only thousands to the length of the creative days (see 2014 awake!
on creation).
what game are they playing??
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baldeagle
I’ve added some additional comments found in March 2014 Awake.
HOW LONG DID GOD TAKE TO CREATE THE UNIVERSE?
The Bible states that God created “the heavens and the earth.” This broad statement, however, makes no reference to the length of time involved in creating the universe or to the methods he used to shape it. In the Bible account, each of the six creative days could have lasted for thousands of years. God had already created the universe, including a lifeless planet Earth, by the time the first creative day began. Evidently the six creative days were long periods during which Jehovah God prepared the earth for human habitation. The Bible account of creation does not conflict with scientific conclusions about the age of the universe.
1985 Life—How Did It Get Here? By Evolution or by Creation? Chap. 3 pp. 26-27 pars. 5&7 What Does Genesis Say?
5 This last sentence appears to fit the creative “days,” for certainly they were periods when extraordinary events were described as happening. It also allows for periods much longer than 24 hours.
7 It would seem reasonable that the “days” of Genesis could likewise have embraced long periods of time—millenniums.
WT January 1, 1987 p. 30
Second, a study of the fulfillment of Bible prophecy and of our location in the stream of time strongly indicate that each of the creative days (Genesis, chapter 1) is 7,000 years long. It is understood that Christ’s reign of a thousand years will bring to a close God’s 7,000-year ‘rest day,’ the last ‘day’ of the creative week. (Revelation 20:6; Genesis 2:2, 3) Based on this reasoning, the entire creative week would be 49,000 years long…..and humans have existed, not for 49,000 years, but for about 6,000 years.
Blondie made an excellent point: “The WTS has backed off using the phrase 7,000 years but here it shows the concept is still official.” I looked it up for myself and as she quoted it’s found in a recent WT study namely the October 15, 2012. This was news to me.
Over the years I noticed they were using expressions like, millenniums, thousands of years, extended over many thousands of years, each of these epochs evidently lasted thousands of years, etc.”
I asked some JW’s over the years (when I was still involved) and many said that the literal view of 7000 years per creative day had been discarded and many more said they were unsure what the real answer was!!
Evidently the 2012 WT reveals that their still hanging on to the 7000 years for the creative days.
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If You Got a Call or Visit From The Elders How Would You Deal With Them?
by minimus injust curious..
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baldeagle
After 40 years being actively involved and fooled by it all, I conducted a successful five year fade. I wasn’t going to stand for any of their intrusions or let’s drop in on Brother Inactive. I told the PO several years ago do not ever phone me at home.
I also told him to please tell the rest of the BOE to not come to my house. Do not knock on my door, do not drive by on a summer afternoon for a visit and catch me washing my car or cutting the lawn. He said, “We still love you as a brother and want you to start associating with us again.”
So I said that if you step on my property, I will be polite and courteous enough to ask you to leave immediately. If you are not gone within one minute I will call the police and tell them I have someone trespassing who will not leave. He said I will pass that on to the other elders.
Not one phone call for anything, not one “regain the lost sheep” visit ever.
End of story!
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baldeagle
1961 Blood, Medicine and the Law of God
Pg. 13-14: Is God's law violated by these medical procedures that involve the use of blood? Is it wrong to sustain life by administering a transfusion of blood or plasma or red cells or others of the component parts of the blood? Yes! The law God gave to Noah made it unlawful for anyone to eat blood, that is, to use it for nourishment or to sustain life. Since this is wrong in the case of animal blood, it is even more reprehensible in the case of human blood. The prohibition includes “any blood at all.” (Leviticus 3:17)
Pg. 15: They know that God required that shed blood be poured out on the ground. Nor are they going to feel that a slight infraction, such as momentary storage of blood in a syringe when it is drawn from one part of the body for injection into another part, is somehow less objectionable than storing it for a longer period of time.
Pg. 39: Although Jehovah's witnesses will not eat blood as a food, nor in medical use consent to any kind of blood transfusion or, in place of it, an infusion of any blood fraction or blood substance, this does not rule out all medical treatment.
Fast forward almost 40 years later and we now have the following.
WT June 15, 2000 p. 30 Questions From Readers
Do Jehovah’s Witnesses accept any medical products derived from blood?
Just as blood plasma can be a source of various fractions, the other primary components (red cells, white cells, platelets) can be processed to isolate smaller parts. For example, white blood cells may be a source of interferons and interleukins, used to treat some viral infections and cancers. Platelets can be processed to extract a wound-healing factor. And other medicines are coming along that involve (at least initially) extracts from blood components. Such therapies are not transfusions of those primary components; they usually involve parts or fractions thereof. Should Christians accept these fractions in medical treatment? We cannot say. The Bible doesnot give details, so a Christian must make his own conscientious decision before God.
Awake August 8, 2006 pp. 11-12 The Real Value of Blood
Jehovah’s Witnesses are well known for taking these Bible commands to heart. They reject all transfusions involving whole blood or the four primary blood components—red cells, plasma, white cells, and platelets. As for the various fractions derived from those components—and products that contain such fractions—the Bible doesnot comment on these. Therefore, each Witness makes his own personal decision on such matters.
Observation: When reading the above 1961 publication one observes the total abstinence of all blood including any and all fractions. Even the “momentary storage of blood in a syringe” was prohibited. Truly the feeling on this matter was a “Zero Tolerance” for the use of “any blood at all.”
WTS claims that Jesus chose the F&DS in 1919 and speaks only through them in dispensing spirit-directed information. One would have to believe that the Lord waited 39 years before he conveyed the “New Light” on this subject in the year 2000. The new understanding went from “Zero Tolerance” on all blood fractions, to, “We cannot say. The Bible does not give details.” Or “the Bible does not comment on these.”
If the prohibition of all blood fractions was not even commented on in the Bible, who made this up?
You would think that Jesus would have the power to convey this vital medical information through his chosen followers a whole lot sooner.