Posts by PelicanBeach

The Watchtower has inserted YHWH in the Greek scriptures without NT Manuscript evidence to back them up. They obviously disregarded the context in Romans 10:13 which clearly refers to Jesus as Lord and not Jehovah. There has been some evidence that YHWH appeared in the Septuagint but that in itself does not mean that Paul used it at every turn. God himself did not choose to preserve evidence of his name in the NT. The New World Translation Committee has no right to second guess God.

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To Active JWs Your January 2, 2014 Daily Text Contains an Error

by PelicanBeach in

to active jws your january 2, 2014 daily text contains an error.

thursday, january 2. .

who the father is, no one knows but the son, and he to whom the son is willing to reveal him.luke 10:22.. .

PelicanBeach

"Who comes up with this stuff, and who is so thick-skulled as to actually take it seriously and waste one's life (and brain cycles) trying to wrap one's brain around what is illogical emotional extortion?"

You apparently.

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To Active JWs Your January 2, 2014 Daily Text Contains an Error

by PelicanBeach in

to active jws your january 2, 2014 daily text contains an error.

thursday, january 2. .

who the father is, no one knows but the son, and he to whom the son is willing to reveal him.luke 10:22.. .

PelicanBeach

To Active JWs Your January 2, 2014 Daily Text Contains an Error

Thursday, January 2

Who the Father is, no one knows but the Son, and he to whom the Son is willing to reveal him.—Luke 10:22.

Most people, whatever their beliefs, have pondered over questions related to God’s existence. However, when they failed to reach a satisfying conclusion, many eventually gave up on their search for God. Indeed, Satan has “blinded the minds of the unbelievers.” (2 Cor. 4:4) Little wonder that the majority of mankind are left in ignorance and confusion as to the truth about the Father, the Creator of the universe! (Isa. 45:18) Yet, it is vital that people learn the truth about God. Why? Because only those who call “on the name of Jehovah” will be saved. (Rom. 10:13) To call on God’s name involves becoming acquainted with Jehovah as a Person. Jesus Christ disclosed to his disciples this vital knowledge. He revealed the Father to them. w12 4/15 1:2, 3

The name Jehovah in the NWT is replacing the word "Lord" in the Greek text. The word “Lord” in Romans 10:13 does NOT refer to Jehovah but rather to Jesus. By inserting God’s name into Romans 10:13 the NWT translators have twisted it into a corruption. Please read the context below from the NWT, the highlighted word “Lord”, in the context, refers to Christ not God and the needed “faith” is also in Jesus and his resurrection. So, when the NWT translators inserted the name Jehovah in place of “Lord” in Romans 10:13 they made Paul say something he did not intend. They manipulated a scripture which was in fact referring to Jesus not his Father. The founder of the original Watchtower Society, Charles Taze Russell, taught the truth about the Trinity, Hellfire, Immortality of the Soul, the heavenly hope and an earthly destination, the end of the system of things etc, WITHOUT resorting to inserting into the Greek Scriptures something Jehovah himself saw fit to leave out. By inserting Jehovah’s name where God himself did not direct, the NWT translators have pushed ahead of God and have corrupted his Word!

Read carefully what Romans 10:9-15 is actually saying, note in the context the words "Lord" and "him" refer to Christ not Jehovah, and come to your own conclusions.

(Romans 10:9-15) “For if you publicly declare that ‘word in your own mouth,’ that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation. 11 For the Scripture says: “None that rests his faith on him will be disappointed.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for there is the same Lord over all, who is rich to all those calling upon him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah ["Lord" in the Greek] will be saved.” 14 However, how will they call on him in whom they have not put faith? How, in turn, will they put faith in him of whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach? 15 How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent forth? Just as it is written: “How comely are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!” NWT

Romans 10:9-15 as it is actually written without the Tetragrammaton:

“For if you publicly declare that ‘word in your own mouth,’ that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation.

11 For the Scripture says: “None that rests his faith on him will be disappointed.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for there is the same Lord over all, who is rich to all those calling upon him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” 14 However, how will they call on him in whom they have not put faith? How, in turn, will they put faith in him of whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach? 15 How, in turn, will they preach unless they have been sent forth? Just as it is written: “How comely are the feet of those who declare good news of good things!”

Does it appear to you that Paul was referring to Jehovah in those scriptures above or Jesus Christ? Remember it is to Jehovah and his Son we are loyal to not men. Or are we to allow the Fear of Men to rule over us in place of God?

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I think my faith might be returning. Feeling very confused.

by jambon1 in

jw
friends

i've been out the organisation for around 8 years.

when i first left, im positive that i suffered from some sort of post traumatic stress.

i was very angry at myself for accepting the really bad parts of the religion that i strongly disagreed with.

PelicanBeach

Cofty,

Thanks for the reply. Your opening post on the thread you linked to ended with this statement: "The topic is the logical and moral implications of theistic evolution, your comments pro and con are welcome. Please play nice."

Playing nice, is good.

I have tweaked your sentence for this post's topic: The topic is the logical and moral implications of evolution.

Reality is good. Let's talk evolutionary reality.

Belief in deities and the religions that resulted from such beliefs are ingrained in mankind. As you know when archeologists excavate an ancient village or burial place the evidence of religious belief is usually quite evident. From vessels used in religious ceremony, to inscribed stones, to small images, to altars, to items placed with the dead; it is a fact that ancient peoples believed in a god or gods and did what they felt was good or necessary in their attempt to please him (them), or to engage with him, or to plead with him. This is a fact.

Now, how did this happen? How is it that on every continent inhabited by man the evidence of religion, the need to worship or please a deity, has from the ancient past existed, but more than just existing, it was an integral part of their culture figuring into many aspects of their lives from birth to death? If evolution has determined who and what we are then it must also be that evolution has caused the need to worship a deity.

Hope and religious belief are for many inextricably intertwined. People hope, they hope that while this life may or may not be good there is hope for a better life after death. This hope helps to mollify their emotional distresses, those stresses which are inherent in a species intelligent enough to recognize Time and Space and the futility of a very limited life. An empty stomach needs food or it fails to sustain us. Evolution provided the stomach and the food to fill it. Is it any wonder then that having provided man with the intelligence to recognize his end and the futility of a limited life that evolution has also, through natural selection, provided him with a mechanism that relieves the stress coming from such knowledge? Like a boiling tea kettle whose whistle releases the pressure building up within it so also religion, the hope for a life after death, releases the pressures which build up in the intelligent mind able to recognize his end and his futility.

If atheists claim that God must be held responsible for the evil on earth because he, according to Christians, is the mechanism by which all men came into existence thereby making God responsible for the evil men do. Then it is reasonable also for Christians to claim that evolution must be held responsible for the deities, because according to atheists evolution is the mechanism by which all men came into existence making evolution responsible for the human need to worship a deity.

Just the other side of the coin.

Pelican