Posts by fearnotruth22

Gary your feelings towards religions that are nice to you is like how all of us felt about the wts at one time and how active members also feel about the wts today, You are basing your feelings selfishly. The religions you like so much are doing to others what the wts has done to you. Are you advocating to each his own?

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Before WTS membership in the UN, were JWS allowed to join the UN?

by fearnotruth22 in

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friends

any one holding office in the cong must have a good reputaion from people outside.

if iit becomes known that an oficer or bethelite has put the wts in a bad light because of some action on his part chances are that the bro would be asked to leave bethel and if he was a servant he would be asked to move over and let someone else do the job.

im sure that the fds realizes that it was foolish for the wts to join the un, what i am interested in knowing is if the wts forbid in the past un membership to jws and what is the policy today.

fearnotruth22

so zev, your saying that thewts did allow membership?

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Do you think that JW's will ever get rid of the 1914-doctrine?

by jads in

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friends

after awhile the jw's will have to do something about 1914 when it crumbles right before them.

how long can they hold onto this russell-invented doctrine?

fearnotruth22

1914 still is a fundemental jw teaching. To deny this is to ignore what is obvious.

The r f still believes in this teaching and the wt still refers to the date as a basis, or in support of certain doctrines, particularly to show that we are still living in the time of the end. The wts has not given up in suggesting new doomsday dates in connection with 1914.

It keeps "holding out the carrot" and the bros in the r and f are still going for it, clutching on to a hope that that never will be realized in their life time.

H owever, the date is being seen less and less in the literature, and is not stressed as before in connection with the last days, while simmultaneously it is belived to be the date of the return of Jesus by jws.

WT critics are showing that the wts while stuck with the date are not giiving it the importance it once had in the wt movement to the minds of jws bellievers by not stressing it so much. But although it is being made to seem less important in jws minds, most wts teachings pivot on this date, so it is the solid foundation on which the wt stands. The minds of the jws though, are in captivity to wt logic so the wts can lead the f lock to belive what it wants.

"we are serving god with reference to a date but with eternity in view""...you have sayings of everlasting life"' "he that has endured to the end will be saved"

The unfinished symphony

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Do you think that JW's will ever get rid of the 1914-doctrine?

by jads in

jw
friends

after awhile the jw's will have to do something about 1914 when it crumbles right before them.

how long can they hold onto this russell-invented doctrine?

fearnotruth22

JWS nver get rif of any pillar deoctrines so bluntly, but little by little fraction by fraction just as a big ship turns ever so slowly until it changes its course to the opposit direction if the gt doesnt come as expected the date will fade away and some other explanation will becom fundamental.

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Before WTS membership in the UN, were JWS allowed to join the UN?

by fearnotruth22 in

jw
friends

any one holding office in the cong must have a good reputaion from people outside.

if iit becomes known that an oficer or bethelite has put the wts in a bad light because of some action on his part chances are that the bro would be asked to leave bethel and if he was a servant he would be asked to move over and let someone else do the job.

im sure that the fds realizes that it was foolish for the wts to join the un, what i am interested in knowing is if the wts forbid in the past un membership to jws and what is the policy today.

fearnotruth22

Any one holding office in the cong must have a good reputaion from people outside. If iit becomes known that an oficer or bethelite has put the wts in a bad light because of some action on his part chances are that the bro would be asked to leave Bethel and if he was a servant he would be asked to move over and let someone else do the job. Im sure that the fds realizes that it was foolish for the wts to join the UN, What I am interested in knowing is if the WTS forbid in the past UN membership to jws and what is the policy today.

I know that jws are not allowed to run for polital office because of neutrality but at the same time jws are allowed to hold the lowliest of offices Notary which are sworn in as any elected official.

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Are Jehovah's Witnesses refusing medical treatment? Not one of them does so

by garybuss in

are jehovah's witnesses refusing medical treatment?

get your barf bags .

http://www.jw-media.org/region/europe/russia/english/moscow/e_crt990216.htm.

fearnotruth22

Gary:I believe that your feelings are justified and your views are well supported in your posts on freeminds relating the harm that was done to you . Above and beyond all of the issues and arguments and evidence in support of the wts movement, is the harm and the pain that you experience and that is what matters to me.

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Are Jehovah's Witnesses refusing medical treatment? Not one of them does so

by garybuss in

are jehovah's witnesses refusing medical treatment?

get your barf bags .

http://www.jw-media.org/region/europe/russia/english/moscow/e_crt990216.htm.

fearnotruth22

Gary: I read your profile and your posts on freeminds.com. My heart goes out to you. Thanks for your information which has helped me to become aware to me of the dangers of the changing policies of the wts had we continued to blindly entrust our lives to the the wts.

AS you have been a victim, me and my loved ones were also in danger of becoming casualties if I did not have change my wts based thinking.

I view things different today as my posts have shown. I have my own viewpoint, and not parroted wts logic. However, I do not disagree with everything that the wts advocates, again I am speaking from my personal experience with the wts, and only very rencently have I come to have the realization that the WTS has not shown itself to be the proxy of God as it claims. I am not only looking that WTS doctrine but also the Bible and God from different perspectives. I am new at this

REgarding the article that you have quoted from in this Topic, I dont't know the case. The lawyer's statement addreeses a lot of issues. Your thread highlights one, blood, in commection with WTS lawyer's statement you posted. I was only focusing on this issue in my posts on your thread.

Later, in your Post to galaxy you explained what you were focusing on in your Topic, limiting your point to HONESTY in coneection with the legal statement made by an attorney representing the WTS

Although I agree with your implied viewpoint that the jws ARE refusing medical treatment as I explain in my previous posts, in reponse to your statements

I thought the legal document above was a weasel worded piece of misrepresentation of the facts. The Witness that wrote it could not have one honest bone in his body

My point was not dealing with government or disfellowshipping. It was dealing with honesty

I Highlighted how Jesus was cleverly honest or dishonest, and that justifies some forms of dishonesty..

When I had the JW mindset and argued jw teachings about blood, etc I was not dishonest, and neither do I blame you for your postion on blood when you were a jw which you now realize was erroneous at the time.Neither can I accuse the wt lawyer of dishonesty as you have. I strongly believe that she honestly believes that her legal statement is true and not false. Although we know otherwise, she doesnt' hence she is not being dishonest because she stating info she believes to be true.

In connection with honesty and law:

The Court will also rule on all of the issues in the Motion and decide either way defining whether accpeting bllod alternatives MEANS refusing treatment. If the Court determines and grants the Motion to the WTS, does that mean that the Court is a party to dishonesty? US Supreme Court has almost always ruled in favor of the WTS. Is the Supreme court a party to WTS dishonesty?

In the US of A, law, and honesty are segregated. Honest is an adjetive denoting morality and the law has nothing to do with rigfht and wrong. What seems dishonest to you may be perfectly legal to someone else and the Cort rules if something is legal but does thers to determine honesty and principles.

I dont join the band wagon with xtians and jews and wt adversaries and their clever and scheming leagl ways to commit murder.

I dont belive that the state has any business interpreting the Bible and just as they allow other religions to exist, the state must be fair and also allow the jw religion to coerce people the very same way the state allows the jews and xtians and moslems to do the same. All religions have done bad and good. Dont cofuse honesty and law they dont mix.

To paraphrase a law that governs the conduct of lawyers in the USA

"...a person that is accused of a crime wants to be free... He does not have to wear a Scarlet letter.. confess his sins and have relative freedom.. no he wants to be free and it is the duty of his Attorney to help him within the bounds of law...." or something like that. But what this law means is that Lawyers are cleverly honest, or LYERS

What bothers me, is that honestly, RELIGION in Russia doesnt want competion from the WTS and in my opinuon that is what is honestly behind these legal actions against JWS in Russia. If you want to get rid of the WTS in Russian LETS BE honest start ith the other churches first and their dishonesty.

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Follow up on our Baptism Nullification letter

by joe_from_kokomo in

dear friends:.

some of you have pm'd me while i was away from this site, wanting to know how everything worked out after sending in our baptism nullification letters to the local kh and the society.

(search on baptism nullification to find these postings if you want the details, even a sample of the letter we used).. well, in a word: great.

fearnotruth22

Where is the BN Format Letter to take a peek. It seems to me that a lot people got baptised, to say the least "lot" because of tactics and pressure and fear and wanting to belong etc and even though they belived that they got baotized making a free choice, just as a jw refuseding a blood transfusion does so believing that he is doing so voluntarily, so too prspective jws taking the plunge do so because they are pressure to do so and get intto a box all of their lives without ever realizing what going on that is until IT HITS HOME, or as I did, when I saw evidence that I could not refute but had to accept because it is irefutable. The evidence stands. It is incumbent on the WT to defend itself and dispute the evidence. Since the wts stays silent. The evidence wins in default. I would still be in the truth today had I not examined the evidence presented by the apostates, but actually I did not get any info from apostates I got it from jws who are not brain dead to whats going on. Hence I am on this board examining things objectively, otheriwise I would aleays belive that the wts is God's org with blind faith in it.Im not stating that it isnt but evidently it is debateable,