Posts by Odrade

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The Society's View of Women

by minimus in

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the watchtower society has regularly spoken about the role of women.

the publications have given strong hints that women are to be considered inferior to men.showing special consideration to a female has been expressed as "from the devil" tipping one's hat toward a female in a respectful gesture was viewed as wrong.the may 15, 1952 watchtrower stated the following: "we can be sure [jesus] did not get in any line to kiss the bride either-- so we leave such woman-exalting practices back in the creature worshipping world, where they belong".......did you feel that women were treated as equals or lesser ones in the congregation?

Odrade

Zev, I LOVE that cow and bull article. Funniest stuff ever, and I want to print it out to carry with me just for laughs!

Waiting, thanks for noticing!

Odrade

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A's Playoff Baseball

by clash_city_rockers in

yes the a's are finally going to do it this year...... huddy will take out padro and nomar.

zito will take out any scud arm the red sox will have to offer.

we'll get molder back for the alcs ad distroy the yankees or twins.

Odrade

Yay! A's!!!! I love the A's, even though I have no idea who's playing. heehee.

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Geek, oops, Greek help?

by Odrade in

or maybe latin.

i was doing homework tonight, and the material started talking about a theologian's understanding of love using "agape, philia and eros.

" i realized that i have no proper understanding of what those terms (particularly agape) really mean, just that stupid jw mantra "love based on principle.

Odrade

Okay, that's part of the understanding that I had. Now I find out that Eros also includes and is primarily the affection and romantic attachment between mates. Includes erotic/sexual love but is not limited to it.

Philia encompasses the way we deal with friends, phamily (hehe, sorry), and is the happiest love.

And agape is not inclusive of sentiment, affection, attraction or attachment. But I have also heard it used in folk songs, and don't get that either.

I'm so confused...

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Geek, oops, Greek help?

by Odrade in

or maybe latin.

i was doing homework tonight, and the material started talking about a theologian's understanding of love using "agape, philia and eros.

" i realized that i have no proper understanding of what those terms (particularly agape) really mean, just that stupid jw mantra "love based on principle.

Odrade

Or maybe Latin. ;) I was doing homework tonight, and the material started talking about a theologian's understanding of love using "agape, philia and eros." I realized that I have no proper understanding of what those terms (particularly agape) REALLY mean, just that stupid JW mantra "love based on principle." So now I'm trying to sort this out. In Basic Christian Ethics by Paul Ramsey he describes it this way:

How exactly do you love yourself? Answer this question and you will know how a Christian should love his neighbor. You naturally love yourself for your own sake. You wish your own good, and you do so even when you may have a certain distaste for the kind of person you are. Liking yourself or thinking yourself very nice, or not, has fundamentally nothing to do with the matter....

[Agape] means such love for self inverted. Therefore, it has nothing to do with feelings, emotions, taste, preference, temperament, or any of the qualities in other people which arouse feelings of revulsion or attraction, negative or positive preferences...The commandment requires a Christian to aim at his neighbor's good just as unswervingly as man by nature wishes his own.

This leads me to believe that the understanding I grew up with (from the WTS) is narrow, confining and warped. But I still don't really understand the principle of agape love once you take it out of the realm of Organization teaching. Can anyone help me with this? It would really enhance my understanding of this segment of the class. Thanks. Odrade

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The Society's View of Women

by minimus in

jw
friends

the watchtower society has regularly spoken about the role of women.

the publications have given strong hints that women are to be considered inferior to men.showing special consideration to a female has been expressed as "from the devil" tipping one's hat toward a female in a respectful gesture was viewed as wrong.the may 15, 1952 watchtrower stated the following: "we can be sure [jesus] did not get in any line to kiss the bride either-- so we leave such woman-exalting practices back in the creature worshipping world, where they belong".......did you feel that women were treated as equals or lesser ones in the congregation?

Odrade

Single sisters, not having a human head

???

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A letter to the Parents

by SixofNine in

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friends

a friend gave me permission to post this.

i think it's a good letter, it might help others formulate their thoughts; she understands it may not be read or considered deeply, but things can't get much worse with her family at this point anyway.

no contact is not that much different than contact once per year or less, and sometimes it's just really important to have the people who should know you, at least know you a little.

Odrade

Wow. so eloquent, so much of what she writes, I've felt or thought. Thank you for posting it. This will definitely help me in the future.

Odrade

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The Society's View of Women

by minimus in

jw
friends

the watchtower society has regularly spoken about the role of women.

the publications have given strong hints that women are to be considered inferior to men.showing special consideration to a female has been expressed as "from the devil" tipping one's hat toward a female in a respectful gesture was viewed as wrong.the may 15, 1952 watchtrower stated the following: "we can be sure [jesus] did not get in any line to kiss the bride either-- so we leave such woman-exalting practices back in the creature worshipping world, where they belong".......did you feel that women were treated as equals or lesser ones in the congregation?

Odrade

And I've heard plenty more women say that they had fought headship for years, but now that they finally learned submission, they are much happier. But their body language tells another story.

Most JW women will tell you they are grateful for the way the WTS treats women. Here's an interesting thought on the conflict between what is said, and what one truly feels:

"..."their nonverbals communicate the truth. The look in the eyes and the tone of voice shout one's nonacceptance so loudly that the verbal expression of acceptance is drowned out. The person feigning acceptance ultimately communicates nonacceptance." -People Skills by Robert Bolton, Ph.D

I think the fact that so many women, when freed of the WTS imposition of "submission," so strongly state how held down they felt, is much more credible than the words of a woman still under the thumb of the WTS.

And YES! I felt like a second class citizen in the Org.

Odrade

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