Posts by Odrade

Dave: Aye to all but that first one. I have some spare opinions, and sometimes they just come tumbling out, especially when standing in the neighbor's yard.

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Overheard: the Witnesses I know react to the Cano incident

by under_believer in

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presented for your perusal, horror, and edification.

i take no responsibility for these statements--they are the verbatim comments of people that i know.

i find my wife's comment heartening, since it implies that she knows that elders are not necessarily spirit-directed.

Unfortunately, I believe that this high-profile case where WT dismissed him immediately from their ranks, will be seen as "proof" by the rank and file that "Jehovah protects his clean organization." If it could be proven that there were complaints against him that were kept confidential, or that someone was aware of his mountain of kiddie porn, maybe it would have a different effect. But his dismissal and likely subsequent disfellowshipping will be spun as a positive for the WT. "See how well we handle this sort of thing? The Catholics would be just moving him to another parish. WE kicked him out." sickening.
But they are masters of spin.

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New JW Child Molestation Cases In Europe & USA

by itsagreatday in

thought id share these items on another sidebar on this forum some may still not be aware of including the scandal in

alleged pedophile jw minister caught in ny

he may have been molesting kids interstate in also, as well as in the carribean to which the watchtower society over jws had been sending him courtesy of membership donated moneys.

Odrade

:X btt

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Spread the good....chickenpox!?

by Gill in

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my mum was just telling me today how 'good' my cousin is as she got to the assembly with her four kids, even though one of them is poorly with chicken pox!.

wouldn't you call that just being plain stupid?!.

me, i'm reduced to just smiling politely and remembering when i would have been that stupid!

Odrade

Show me where, one time, I have said that OPV should not be used in a developing country. I haven't, and you persist in saying that I have. I have said, as has the CDC, that developed nations, such at the US, where it is readily available, has NO REASON to continue using OPV, though it continues to be the most effective treatment in developing nations.
Vaccines are not "safe," they are simply better than the alternative in most instances. But to blindly believe that they are completely safe is foolish. It's not "conspiracy theory," I don't believe that there is any attempt to do harm with vaccinations. It's simply good sense to realize that even good medicine can be dangerous under certain circumstances, and people would do well to know exactly what is being injected into their bodies, and what the pros and cons are, BEFORE accepting treatment.
So again, show me where, one time, I have said that OPV should be discontinued in 3rd world countries?

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Called JR Brown regarding Cano Pedophile situation

by LDH in

just called their media line:.

http://www.jw-media.org/contact.htm.

asked a young man named bryce where is the official press release on the cano pedophile situation.

Odrade

Holy crap! That was amazing!

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Spread the good....chickenpox!?

by Gill in

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friends

my mum was just telling me today how 'good' my cousin is as she got to the assembly with her four kids, even though one of them is poorly with chicken pox!.

wouldn't you call that just being plain stupid?!.

me, i'm reduced to just smiling politely and remembering when i would have been that stupid!

Odrade

:::The OPV is much easier to administer, and far cheaper.

A valid reason to use a riskier method in a developing nation at risk for epidemics. BTW, I wrote that, but you evidently didn't read any of it. Did I EVER say their lives are disposable? That's a pretty sick thing to insinuate. All I've ever said is, where the alternative is AVAILABLE, it makes absolutely no sense to risk VAPP simply for ease of administration and cost effectiveness. Incidentally, that's also what the CDC says. Maybe you'd like to take up your argument with them? Or your doctor?

And "future improvements?" What the hell are you talking about? This is not a "future improvement," there already IS a better vaccine for polio that is readily available in developed countries. We have it, we use it. But go right ahead, with your next kid, take him to Rotary and say you've decided to decline IPV, in favor of OPV.

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Spread the good....chickenpox!?

by Gill in

jw
friends

my mum was just telling me today how 'good' my cousin is as she got to the assembly with her four kids, even though one of them is poorly with chicken pox!.

wouldn't you call that just being plain stupid?!.

me, i'm reduced to just smiling politely and remembering when i would have been that stupid!

Odrade

But there IS a better alternative. So that argument is ridiculous. Would you knowingly give your child a vaccine that has CAUSED polio, when there is a safe alternative available, simply because the risk is low with the risky alternative?

Are you even reading what you type?

I wouldn't let my child stand outside during a lightning storm, when it is safer for him outside the house, even though it is unlikely that he would be hit by the lightning.

Tell you what, I'll let YOU and YOUR children use the oral polio vaccine, since it is low risk. I'll opt for the one that isn't documented to cause VAPP. Works for me, works for you, because hey, lightning won't strike you, right?

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Spread the good....chickenpox!?

by Gill in

jw
friends

my mum was just telling me today how 'good' my cousin is as she got to the assembly with her four kids, even though one of them is poorly with chicken pox!.

wouldn't you call that just being plain stupid?!.

me, i'm reduced to just smiling politely and remembering when i would have been that stupid!

Odrade

CDC 1997 Press release: OPV can cause Polio

Since 1979, the only polio disease in the United States has been caused by the oral poliovirus vaccine (OPV) vaccine, which had been used routinely for childhood vaccination since 1965. Until recently, because of the risk of polio epidemics in the United States, the risk from the vaccine, about 1 case for every 2.4 million doses, was outweighed by the benefit from the vaccine in protecting against epidemics. Although both vaccines protect children against polio, OPV provides better protection against epidemics. IPV is not known to cause VAPP.

Prior to the change to a sequential schedule, there were 8-10 cases of paralytic polio caused by OPV each year.

Because of this, and the fact that the polio eradication campaign has led to continued declines in polio cases outside the United States., the ACIP determined that the recommended childhood polio vaccination schedule should be changed to an exclusive IPV schedule to completely eliminate the risk of VAPP while still providing protection to children and adults. Until polio is eradicated, all children still need to be vaccinated for polio.