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Korean News : CoC in Korean

by AntiEntropy in

jw
friends

hi bros.. after my father's publishing his book, "15 questions after 40 years of jw" , many ex-jw bros in korea became motivated to rush to the coc korean project.

however any secular project needs a fund eventhough it's a not-for-profit.

fortunately, a bunch of bros decided to donate generously $300~$7,000 to this unprofitable business.

Korean News : CoC in Korean

by AntiEntropy in

jw
friends

hi bros.. after my father's publishing his book, "15 questions after 40 years of jw" , many ex-jw bros in korea became motivated to rush to the coc korean project.

however any secular project needs a fund eventhough it's a not-for-profit.

fortunately, a bunch of bros decided to donate generously $300~$7,000 to this unprofitable business.

UN Library again... The "NGO Resource Center"

by AntiEntropy in

jw
friends

as we know, there were at least 2 ways to enter the un ngo bldg : 'ground pass' and 'library pass'.

and the 'ground pass' matters was dealt by many posts in old times.

basically, the policy of 'library pass' had not been chaged before 9.11 as we read.. however, some pro-jws have been insisting that it was not the un ngo bldg.

AntiEntropy

As we know, there were at least 2 ways to enter the UN NGO Bldg : 'ground pass' and 'library pass'

And the 'ground pass' matters was dealt by many posts in old times. FIY, http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/search/?q=UN+library+change

Basically, the policy of 'library pass' had not been chaged before 9.11 as we read.

However, some pro-JWs have been insisting that it was not the UN NGO Bldg. that Ciro and his friends wanted to enter but it was a different Bldg. to which "NGO Resource Center" had moved from UN NGO Bldg. They're saying it was 'gound pass' that WT desparately needed, so desparately with knowledge that their decision must let many lambs leave JW.ORG.

By Dana Loytved's old letters, we could learn that inferior to 'ground pass', 'library pass' couldn't let its holders access to "NGO Resource Center" if it were located in a different Bldg. I guess you understand their reasoning related with it.

I can't trace its origin but their quotation is like the below :

Greetings from the Dag Hammarskjöld Library, The "special area" referred to in the brochure is probably the "NGO Resource Center". This Center used to be located in the Library Building (not the actual library itself), but has since been moved to a different building. (......) Accredited members of NGOs with valid UN grounds passes, however, are also allowed to visit the Dag Hammarskjöld Library and to use our resources on site. Best Regards,
-Ashley Rode-

I could make sure that "NGO Resource Center" moved once and it is not in the NGO Bldg. now but I can't find when it moved.

Questions :

Is "NGO Resource Center" really a "special area"?

I guess it's a just very convenient information center for delegates of DPIs. Moreover, there are other "NGO Resource Centers" in other nations like India and Vietnam.
Pro-JWs are insisting that the centers have exclusive information which can't be acquired in other ways, though I found the below tips.

When "NGO Resource Center" moved to the present location?

Although it was not a special thing, I can make a better ague if that center moved after 1991.

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Korean News : CoC in Korean

by AntiEntropy in

jw
friends

hi bros.. after my father's publishing his book, "15 questions after 40 years of jw" , many ex-jw bros in korea became motivated to rush to the coc korean project.

however any secular project needs a fund eventhough it's a not-for-profit.

fortunately, a bunch of bros decided to donate generously $300~$7,000 to this unprofitable business.

AntiEntropy

Hi Bros.

After my father's publishing his book, "15 Questions after 40 years of JW" , many ex-JW Bros in Korea became motivated to rush to the CoC Korean project. However any secular project needs a fund eventhough it's a not-for-profit. Fortunately, a bunch of bros decided to donate generously $300~$7,000 to this unprofitable business. They also participated into the hard translation which was due to Rutherford's bad English ^^;;

It's done at late.

We established a publishing company and published CoC Korean by that entity. By this project, I thankfully could learn how to run a publishing company.

I'm a stock keeper. I kept the stock in the spare space in my office. I'm really honored to ship all the ordered books with the hands of mine and my wife just like Raymond did.

If you have any Korean-speaking ex-JW/JWs, you may introduce this news to them.

Let's keep up the good work by our Christian [OR] non-Christian Love!

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Thinking of writing a book about jw's, what should I put in it?

by purrpurr in

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friends

i've just finished reading alan miller's "fade from the truth", i enjoyed it and i love that it's freely available.

so i was thinking of writing a book of my own.

not an account of my life but more a simple step by step look at jw's and what they are really like?

AntiEntropy

The Monorails of Mars

was real! @.@

I will read both of your books!

http://www.amazon.com/Terry-Walstrom/e/B00LTLKMWU/ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1

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Copyright of 'Crisis of Conscience'

by AntiEntropy in

jw
friends

hello,.

i hope to translate coc into a foreign language.. who can own the copyright of that meaningful book?.

i've tried to reach 'commentary press' with all the ways i can use, but i've not been able to communicate with anyone so far.. this project is not a commercial one but i hope to make sure of the copyright thing.. any help will be appreciated!.

AntiEntropy

slimboyfat - Into Korean...

This picture can answer to your 2nd question ^^;;

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Copyright of 'Crisis of Conscience'

by AntiEntropy in

jw
friends

hello,.

i hope to translate coc into a foreign language.. who can own the copyright of that meaningful book?.

i've tried to reach 'commentary press' with all the ways i can use, but i've not been able to communicate with anyone so far.. this project is not a commercial one but i hope to make sure of the copyright thing.. any help will be appreciated!.

AntiEntropy

Hello,

I hope to translate CoC into a foreign language.

Who can own the copyright of that meaningful book?

I've tried to reach 'Commentary Press' with all the ways I can use, but I've not been able to communicate with anyone so far.

This project is not a commercial one but I hope to make sure of the copyright thing.

Any help will be appreciated!

Thanks.

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Korean news with my story...

by AntiEntropy in

i joined this site 12 years ago and i revisited it yesterday to get some information on coc's status.. .

frankly saying, i've tried to be a complete ex-ex-jw so that ex-jw things would not drive my life mad.

due to my linguistic barrier of writing in a foreign language, 12 years ago, i could not but read and read and read this site.

AntiEntropy

To All,

Thanks for your warm replies.

There's a big mistake in my post. It was not 30 years. It was "15 Questions after 40 years of JW".

Sorry... 30 years belongs to mine ^^;;

As we progress in CoC Korean, I'd like to share the results with you by posting.

Thanks.

Ray Ryu,

P.S.

In regards to "Conscientious Objection" of mine,

I was imprisoned from Mar, 1995 to Nov, 1997. The life was very similar to that of the movie, "The Shawshank Redemption, 1994". I worked as a librarian just like Bird in the film. I even did homework of guardians who were studying in graduate schools of Penology. Yes, I got 2 cans of beer for my special service just like the film ^^;;

With the criminal record, I could not think to even try to join Samsung but I don't think I lost that much. Rather I'd like to see the bright side of my special experience. I sometimes feel sad when I see bros are still suffering Post-Prison-Syndrome. I had it also but I think I've overcome mostly.

Still young Korean JWs are going prison on that "Religious Objection". JW Korea branch is eager to gain the right of alternative service. Though I don't support JW, I support the legislation of it for humanitrian reason. However I'm projecting very that legislation will loose JW youths minds and they will leave Org. ever more. Just my thought...

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Korean news with my story...

by AntiEntropy in

i joined this site 12 years ago and i revisited it yesterday to get some information on coc's status.. .

frankly saying, i've tried to be a complete ex-ex-jw so that ex-jw things would not drive my life mad.

due to my linguistic barrier of writing in a foreign language, 12 years ago, i could not but read and read and read this site.

AntiEntropy

RichardHaley

I guess he's not going to go that far. The world of English is bigger than that of Korean especially in terms of ex-JW information. ^^;;

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Korean news with my story...

by AntiEntropy in

i joined this site 12 years ago and i revisited it yesterday to get some information on coc's status.. .

frankly saying, i've tried to be a complete ex-ex-jw so that ex-jw things would not drive my life mad.

due to my linguistic barrier of writing in a foreign language, 12 years ago, i could not but read and read and read this site.

AntiEntropy

Hello,

I joined this site 12 years ago and I revisited it yesterday to get some information on CoC's status.

Frankly saying, I've tried to be a complete ex-ex-JW so that ex-JW things would not drive my life mad. Due to my linguistic barrier of writing in a foreign language, 12 years ago, I could not but read and read and read this site. It was very very enlightening and had good influence to me a lot ,however I was too much addicted to reading ex-JW sites to live a normal life. My addiction was so immoderate. I couldn't sleep decent sleep and even my job was affected ^^;;

There's a Korean ex-JW site, http://cafe.daum.net/christianfreedom. It was another source of obsession. So I made a decision to leave ex-JW society. One day, I translated Simon's post about being ex-ex and post it in the Korean site(http://cafe.daum.net/christianfreedom/JgxM/2060). I started to limit visiting ex-JW sites in Korean and English. It may seem silly but it was really needed for me at that time.

What motivates me today to write this post is not what but who. It's my father. Last year, He DAed himself after 30 years of his JW life. He served his local congregation mostly as a presiding elder or overseer(old terminology ^^). It shocked nearby local Congs. and maybe the Korean branch.

10 years ago, I had so many troubles with my father. At that time, I felt that there scarcely would be any hope for me and my father to understand each other in spiritual view points. 6 years ago, when I was running a business in China with many financial difficulties, he visited me and said my financial failure should be related with my unfaithfulness to Jehovah ㅠㅠ. So I never expected our union in ex-JW status but now I have that union.

He said his mind moved after reading Raymond Franz's story. We don't have a Korean version of CoC but a very brief document was available. That booklet was translated from a Japanese document of an interview between Raymond and a Japanese physician who was never a JW but had a JW as his wife. Volume is about one sixth of CoC.

I suggested him toward soft-landing way but he chose hard one by submitting DA letter to the local Cong. He even half-finished his own book at the point of DA. As a son, I worried a lot about his future mental shocks that I myself suffered agonizingly. So, I reluctantly help him in the matter of his book. However it was finished and published formally at his age of 72 this year. I asked him several times to reconsider the formal publishing in worrying of his emotional breaks which might occur when his 30 yrs' JW friends would reject his calls, which is real situation now. My father was strong. He is saying he feels happier no matter what he lost because it's right and honest way.

His book is being distributed in on-and-off-line ways domestically.

He advertised his book at Korean 4 major newspapers.

The title of the book is "15 questions after 30 years of JW"

His 15 questions are like the below,

1. On the matter of the one generation

2. Sixth day's end at 1975?

3. Omission of 1914 in Awake's purpose

4. Depression from waiting / Didn't the generation die who expected to see Armageddon alive?

5. If anonymous donation, why written service report?

6. On the matter of higher education

7. Is it conscientious or religious objection?

8. UN NGO

9. Changing policy on blood

10. Annointing elders directed by holy spirit?

11. What about humanitarian salvation besides spiritual one?

12. Freedom of speech in Org. / Disfellowshipping

13. Birthday party, Women trousers, Weight training, Addressing Bro to the elderly in Asian culture, Watchtower study, Political polling

14. Is it biblical to use terminology of 'Governing body'?

15. Faithful and wise slave of Mathew 24:44,45,47

I'm proud of him.

By the way, a band of Korean young ex-JW bros have become passionate in helping Korean JWs to read Raymons' COC. In fact, translation is about to be done soon. The thing is legal one, copy-right. In 2001, when I inquired, Commentary press replied that it would let me publish Korean version, but I can't contact them. As a matter of fact, I'm not sure from whom I should gain permission since Bro & Sis Fraz have left us.

Is there any one who can direct me to Dan and Debbie Dykstra? Any small advice will be appreciated. It might be able to make miracles again and again like my father's one.

Thanks.

Ray Ryu,