Posts by excaliber

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if we don't all unite, we may win a few battles but Watchtower will win the WAR.

by excaliber in

jw
friends

to thank you for taking the time to read this, because i feel that it is extremely important.

over the years we have been waring against the watchtower, and our battle field has been the internet.and we have been very successful in establishing discussion forums and online resorces exposing false teachings and we have used youtube to further shed light on the watchtower, we have even written books to this end.. .

yes we have attacked watchtower at its weakest point, the internet and we have been able to do this as small groups and even individualy.

excaliber

Adama, I have no control over what someone else did. I am very serious about this and I WILL do what ive said. If everyone that has activist ideals gets automatically thrown in the oh he is just new or naive or like someone else category.

Then activists like me will just have to join other already established groups. Anonymous has no central structure so they can put as many in prison as they wish, it still wont stop us. Anonymous is not limited to only hacking.

I have already found ways to contact them and get things started.

Thanks for your thoughts

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if we don't all unite, we may win a few battles but Watchtower will win the WAR.

by excaliber in

jw
friends

to thank you for taking the time to read this, because i feel that it is extremely important.

over the years we have been waring against the watchtower, and our battle field has been the internet.and we have been very successful in establishing discussion forums and online resorces exposing false teachings and we have used youtube to further shed light on the watchtower, we have even written books to this end.. .

yes we have attacked watchtower at its weakest point, the internet and we have been able to do this as small groups and even individualy.

excaliber

ekruks, you word things better then I do. I agree with what you are saying. .... Perhaps war was not the best choice of words.

I would never shun anyone for not wanting to join, I honestly respect everyone and there views.I Am just one in a vast sea of ex cult members, my individual opinion is not above anyone else's here. Do what you feel in your heart is right, I will not pass judgement, we have all had enough of that.

But as for me.... I will not forget ..i will not forgive.... I will not give up even if I have to join anonymous myself!

I will do everything humanly possible to fight agaist these men that get rich of other peoples desire to serve god....or die trying.

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if we don't all unite, we may win a few battles but Watchtower will win the WAR.

by excaliber in

jw
friends

to thank you for taking the time to read this, because i feel that it is extremely important.

over the years we have been waring against the watchtower, and our battle field has been the internet.and we have been very successful in establishing discussion forums and online resorces exposing false teachings and we have used youtube to further shed light on the watchtower, we have even written books to this end.. .

yes we have attacked watchtower at its weakest point, the internet and we have been able to do this as small groups and even individualy.

excaliber

Cofty I am so happy you asked. I personally have a lot of tactical operations I am currently working on. I don't think it is wise to post them all were wwatchtower could see. But you may be familiar with the group anonymous, if not check them out on YouTube. They specialize in internet activism, however I am focusing more on ground work not just mostly online.

Someone here said they feel like people dont care, that they feel like we were just idiots for joining a cult anyway ( even thow a lot of us were born in and didn't have a choice) well brother that is both true and false, while I respect your view because you are obviously a very highly intelligent person. I must disagree because people care about the group anonymous, people more then care ...some love the group and want to join.

I watched a video of anonymous going against the church of scientology and there were people cheering for them as they walked by. So while people in general may not care much about a few individuals posting on websites and YouTube. They will definitely care about a real live ORGANIZED activist group, in time a guarantee we would have people wanting to join us just to help us in our fight against controlling cults.... people will love us.

I have an extremely effective tactic that you guys would love, there are ways to tell JWs TTATT in settings were they cant get away, they would HAVE to listen. And it would not involve anything illegal.

I don't want to post it and then go out and do it. That may not be wise. But I would be happy to talk tactics with anyone who is serious about this. Just PM me

Watchtower may seem like a giant, but they have some very large weaknesses.

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if we don't all unite, we may win a few battles but Watchtower will win the WAR.

by excaliber in

jw
friends

to thank you for taking the time to read this, because i feel that it is extremely important.

over the years we have been waring against the watchtower, and our battle field has been the internet.and we have been very successful in establishing discussion forums and online resorces exposing false teachings and we have used youtube to further shed light on the watchtower, we have even written books to this end.. .

yes we have attacked watchtower at its weakest point, the internet and we have been able to do this as small groups and even individualy.

excaliber

We would come together as individuals for a common cause, to wage war on The Watchtower. Yes we will fight a billion dollar corporation with 7 million members and we will prevail. The larger the organization the harder it is to protect and the easier it is to attack, while trying to attack us would be like hearding cats.

This is not an authoritarian structure, there will be no rules to stop an individuals right to think for themselves. We can come together without an athoritarian figure for the common cause of freedom of individuality and the reuniting of families that The Watchtower has destroyed.

The beautiful thing is that an individual can act autonomously if he or she wishes. We would be nothing like a religion, the watchtower has us thinking that individuals cannot come together without conformity or a belief system, we will prove them wrong.

We would have no power hungry people involved because we would all be equals coordinating our efforts. I am only recruiting, not trying to boss anyone around or impose some sort of belief other then that The Watchtower should not be allowed to exist.

I think all forums and other groups can continue doing what they are doing. I am however trying to recruit people to take REAL action to the extent the law allows, not just talking or acting a little rebellious but in a very true sence putting an end to the watchtower organization.

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if we don't all unite, we may win a few battles but Watchtower will win the WAR.

by excaliber in

jw
friends

to thank you for taking the time to read this, because i feel that it is extremely important.

over the years we have been waring against the watchtower, and our battle field has been the internet.and we have been very successful in establishing discussion forums and online resorces exposing false teachings and we have used youtube to further shed light on the watchtower, we have even written books to this end.. .

yes we have attacked watchtower at its weakest point, the internet and we have been able to do this as small groups and even individualy.

excaliber

I want

to thank you for taking the time to read this, because I feel that it is extremely important. Over the years we have been waring against The Watchtower, and our battle field has been the internet.And we have been very successful in establishing discussion forums and online resorces exposing false teachings and we have used YouTube to further shed light on The Watchtower, We have even written books to this end.

Yes we have attacked watchtower at its weakest point, THE INTERNET And we have been able to do this as small groups and even individualy. Like a city leaving a town completely unguarded, The internet has been left unguarded by The watchtower, witnesses were just told to stay away from it.

However this is changing, The Watchtower is starting to establish a stronger presence on the internet with discussion groups of there own. When The Watchtower desides to take a more aggressive approach and instead of being passive about the internet, starts training witnesses on how to use the internet to not only preach but combat us. Our largest and most succesful campaign against The Watchtower will come to a screeching hult!

The illistration I used comparing the internet to a completely unguarded town, will soon be more accurately described as a town surrounded by tanks and a full army.

For that reason I think it is important for us to come together as one and war against Watchtower and any organization that abuses its power and tries to silence its victims through shunning or any other means.

Yes not as individuals or small groups of seperate internet forums but as one group.

It does not matter what denomination we have chosen, we know God does not approve of the watchtower and it is our duty to stop this organization from victimizing people who are sincerely searching for truth. If you are atheist your logic and reason should cause you to want to join together and fight this organization that forces religion on people with the threat of disfellowshiping. There are a lot of exJW groups out there but wouldnt it be worth putting small differences aside for the greater good? Would it not be more effective to war against watchtower as one instead of sma groups? Let us discuss ways that we can act as one

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Ever consider joining The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

by rawe in

has anyone here left jehovah's witnesses to join the churuch of jesus christ of latter-day saints?

what was your motivation for doing so and how has it worked out?.

if you haven't joined the lds or considered it, as an ex-jw, what is your general view of the lds faith?.

excaliber

I ment to say I know a lot about the singles branches but not the family wards. Again they are far far more social then JW and plan cool activities. Having lots of social events for singles draws a lot of people to there faith.

But again I don't like that they banned blacks from there priesthood until around 1978, and there still aren't many ethnicities in the church in America. The even had to come up with a group called the genisis group as sorta a support group for blacks in utah.

But what they dont tell you is that this group is in utah.... if you don't live in utah near this group your SOL if your black because your probably the only one in your branch or close to it And LDS are only supposed to marry LDS and that puts you in a strange position if not many want to date outside there race because you need to be married to go too the highest heaven.

If your not married you go to a lower heaven and your not allowed in the highest heaven.

I also did not like how every time I met with my branch president he ALWAYS asked me about my tithing.

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Ever consider joining The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

by rawe in

has anyone here left jehovah's witnesses to join the churuch of jesus christ of latter-day saints?

what was your motivation for doing so and how has it worked out?.

if you haven't joined the lds or considered it, as an ex-jw, what is your general view of the lds faith?.

excaliber

I was a member of the LDS church for years. I know about the singles branch but I dont know much about the singles wards.

It is a VERY social church, there are a lot of events planed by the singles branch and they are actually fun.

I didn't like that there weren't many other ethnicities. And I didn't like the fact that they band blacks from the priesthood etc...

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JEN members forming telephone social groups

by excaliber in

jw
friends

i was wondering how helpful telephone social groups would be?

i have heard that people feel staying on jwn to long causes them to feel depression.

is it possible that being in front of a computer to often can make one feel depressed?

excaliber

Band on the run: I have met exJWs that scared me at first also, for example in the myspace gettingoup there was a member that was into wicca and frankly she scared me. I am not afraid of things like that anymore, but at the time I limited my contact with her to just the online forum. While I would be open to speaking to anyone now, I understand why you would want to avoid people who scare you. The meetups are super fun! You get to just be yourself with other people who understand where your coming from, just be yourself and only do or talk about what your comfortable with. I have been addicted just like you after finding sites like this years ago.

kjg132: you just expressed my thoughts perfectly in your post, im glad im not the only one that feels that way.

Cantleave: Im glad you haven't had to deal with depression, because it is not fun. And I hope you never do, wish I could say the same.

I hear a lot about how long I have been on the forum. Would sharing a little about myself help ones feel more comfortable?

I served at walkill bethel and it was my life for years until the bethel family was called together for a meeting. We were basically told that it was Jehovah's will that some of us be sent to other branches and bethels in other countries or Gilead school and MTS or special pioneer service. I went to my room and thought in amazement about how Jehovah might use me. However the truth is I was just shown the door. They did it the exact same way worldly companies do layoffs, my overseer called me into a room and basically told me I had to leave. I went to my room and was in shock, I started looking for jobs online and typed up a resume. I asked my overseer if I could have a little training in a department were I could find a job in that field. Bethel trained people in plumbing and all kind of skills so why not help us get some basic skills for our job search. Well my answer came when an overseer showed up with brothers from the moving department and he instructed them to pack up my stuff and put it in my car and sent me on my way right then and there.

I was beyond hurt as im driving away from wallkill, trying to figure out where exactly i was gonna drive too. I litteraly went from being a bethelite to being in a car with a bunch of boxes of clothes etc..

I was so angry and so hurt and so depressed that I became physically very sick. It took me years to recover.

In summary I tried to find the truth in different churches and ive been atheist for a while and agnostic and now I dont know if there is a category for what I am..... other then just exJW.

Any specific questions feel free to ask. Im a pretty open person, and I enjoy hearing other peoples story also.

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JEN members forming telephone social groups

by excaliber in

jw
friends

i was wondering how helpful telephone social groups would be?

i have heard that people feel staying on jwn to long causes them to feel depression.

is it possible that being in front of a computer to often can make one feel depressed?

excaliber

I have been aware of this forum for much longer then 6 days lol. Anyway I spoke to an old friend and asked if they still posted on JWN, there reply is why I posted the above.

Also to be frank i also used to feel this way when i would read posts years ago, i would always stop because i would find myself infront of the computer for far to long, trying to keep up with all the posts.

There was a myspace group that I was a member of for ex JW. It was so cool because it was small enuff that I got to know everyone in the group. A lot of us yraded phone numbers and became good friends, I even met a few of the members and we had a blast!

I felt that while posting online was fine, it was really great to have someone to talk to also.

Dose that not make sence?

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JEN members forming telephone social groups

by excaliber in

jw
friends

i was wondering how helpful telephone social groups would be?

i have heard that people feel staying on jwn to long causes them to feel depression.

is it possible that being in front of a computer to often can make one feel depressed?

excaliber

Hello everyone,

I was wondering how helpful telephone social groups would be? I have heard that people feel staying on JWN to long causes them to feel depression.

Is it possible that being in front of a computer to often can make one feel depressed? Would speaking to JWN members on the phone in addition to posting online help ones feel not as lonely and not as depressed?

There may be ones who are not living in areas where meetups happen regularly, and the JWN website alone may not be enough support for ones to leave the org and suffer the lose of family and friends.

Anyone that would like to chat via phone or text should feel free to PM me. Private info such as real names dont have to be used if it makes ones uncomfortable.