Posts by sunny23

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"We Already Forgive Him" - What Does That Mean?

by cofty in

the children of one of yesterday's shooting have told the media that they have already forgiven the killer for what he did.. dylaan roof has not apologised for what he did.

he hates black people and probably regrets not killing even more.. what does it really mean to forgive?.

if the legal system asked the victims relatives what they want done next would they ask for dylaan to go free and unpunished?.

sunny23

A "christian could" do anything. By what are we basing christian actions? Just modern day new testament /new covenant christians? If so then technicall a Christian should allow "cesar" to uphold law and justice for society, but allow God to exact punishment in some other sense and means.

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"We Already Forgive Him" - What Does That Mean?

by cofty in

the children of one of yesterday's shooting have told the media that they have already forgiven the killer for what he did.. dylaan roof has not apologised for what he did.

he hates black people and probably regrets not killing even more.. what does it really mean to forgive?.

if the legal system asked the victims relatives what they want done next would they ask for dylaan to go free and unpunished?.

sunny23

Old Testament style? Yea sure.

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"We Already Forgive Him" - What Does That Mean?

by cofty in

the children of one of yesterday's shooting have told the media that they have already forgiven the killer for what he did.. dylaan roof has not apologised for what he did.

he hates black people and probably regrets not killing even more.. what does it really mean to forgive?.

if the legal system asked the victims relatives what they want done next would they ask for dylaan to go free and unpunished?.

sunny23

Since forgiveness has different meanings, you technically could forgive someone (not be angry at them emotionally) while punishing them, or sentencing them to prison/death. The same Justice can be served by someone exhibiting emotions and by someone not.

As far as the hypothetical question of what would the forgiving Christians do if given the reigns of judicial power? Who cares, lets hope their ideologies are not too strong in those who actually decide these cases and justice is served fully here.

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"We Already Forgive Him" - What Does That Mean?

by cofty in

the children of one of yesterday's shooting have told the media that they have already forgiven the killer for what he did.. dylaan roof has not apologised for what he did.

he hates black people and probably regrets not killing even more.. what does it really mean to forgive?.

if the legal system asked the victims relatives what they want done next would they ask for dylaan to go free and unpunished?.

sunny23

Justice comes from a blindfolded woman holding scales, by definition she can not forgive, she only treats those who act fairly according to action. She is objective, forgiveness is subjective because it concerns emotion. Unless you are forgiving a debt.

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"We Already Forgive Him" - What Does That Mean?

by cofty in

the children of one of yesterday's shooting have told the media that they have already forgiven the killer for what he did.. dylaan roof has not apologised for what he did.

he hates black people and probably regrets not killing even more.. what does it really mean to forgive?.

if the legal system asked the victims relatives what they want done next would they ask for dylaan to go free and unpunished?.

sunny23

I think they mean to forgive him in an emotional sense and not a physical/social/judiciary sense. Or that the forgiveness is of the "spirit relm" where they toss all their cares and concerns, you know, up to the sky with God so they don't actually have to think about shit.

If someone hits my car and apologizes but the damages are high, I might forgive them for their mistake at that moment once we have talked things out but I would still expect them or their insurance to pay for my car. Does this mean I haven't forgiven their action? hmm

To forgive can mean to stop feeling angry OR it can mean to cancel a debt. It's not always both meanings simultaneously.

Faith is Mandatory?

by sunny23 in

faith by definition when applied to god is: belief in him without proof or evidence of "things seen.

can you be saved by god or at armageddon if you do not have faith, or if you doubt god exists?

according to jw's and most christians that is a big fat no!

sunny23

Faith by definition when applied to God is: belief in Him without proof or evidence of "things seen."

Can you be saved by God or at Armageddon if you do not have faith, or If you doubt God exists? According to JW's and most Christians that is a big fat NO! Lets chip in some analogies to illustrate the ridiculousness of this ideology for a minute.

Imagine back before phones and internet. A soon-to-be father is wrongfully convicted of a crime and sent to an offshore prison for a 30year sentence. His son is born soon after and is raised by his mother to believe that his father is alive and well and will be returning in the near future. This father communicates to his son for 20+ years by letter only and never receives or responds to his sons letters. There are no pictures, old clothes, or other physical evidence of this father for the child to see. Only these letters. In these letters the father emphasizes to his son among other life lessons and 'rules,' that if the son does not believe that his father exists and will return, then when he does return, the father will find and kill his son for non-belief. Of course the son believes out of fear for a while but eventually grows older and reasons that these letters may be coming from his mother or another relative in some attempt to raise him with a father figure this whole time. Thus the son stops believing its really from his father. At age 30 the son gets his throat slit by his returned father for not believing he existed this whole time. Justice has been served, right? Do you believe Jesus/God exists? Is it really necessary to? Wheres the evidence? Is it in some old letters?

I also like the Firefighter analogy in this short cartoon clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSZqH0Ms4ds

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New Light! People CAN now be saved AFTER the Tribulation begins!

by FusionTheism in

for decades, i remember the society, publications, and elders saying that once the great tribulation begins, it is too late to repent or be saved.

they said the "door of the ark will have been closed.".

now, however, look at the brand-new clarified understanding / new light on this from jw.org, below.. they are still saying that the majority of worldly people will not be saved, but they are now saying it is possible.. the simplified july study watchtower says this:.

sunny23

If god judges based on heart condition and not on acceptance of his earthly organization then preaching work is pointless. Don't think they want to be so blatant about heart condition so as to warrant anti-preaching thoughts.

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New Light! People CAN now be saved AFTER the Tribulation begins!

by FusionTheism in

for decades, i remember the society, publications, and elders saying that once the great tribulation begins, it is too late to repent or be saved.

they said the "door of the ark will have been closed.".

now, however, look at the brand-new clarified understanding / new light on this from jw.org, below.. they are still saying that the majority of worldly people will not be saved, but they are now saying it is possible.. the simplified july study watchtower says this:.

sunny23

It said "Should we conclude, though, that the destruction of the religions of Babylon the Great results in the death of all the former members of those religions? Apparently not...apparently, even some of the clergy will abandon their religious course and deny that they were ever part of those false religions."

This is odd. It says "former" members not active members but implies that the act of abandoning their religious course happens after the commencement of Babylon's destruction. Am I reading into it wrong or is it purposefully ambiguous? Because there are currently former clergy who have abandoned Babylon and joined the Jw's so surely this isn't about the ones who abandon Babylon prior to the commencement of destruction of Babylon...but it does say future tense that some "will abandon" but past tense with "former members." Former to what point in time exactly?

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Need Help

by ThisFellowCheap in

jw
friends

i'm in dire need of assitance, and i have decided to humbly come here.... first, let me reintroduce myself.

my name is kolabomi, a nigerian and a proud one too.

i am a graduate student in one of my country's leading university.

sunny23

"I have so far tried all means possible to appeal for the return of it, with my parents going to radio stations to plea with those who stole it to return it eve if for a financial recompense with the guaranty of no police harassment but all to no avail."Cheap

I must ask, how much was offered as financial recompense by your parents on the radio? Logically it would at least need to be what that laptop is worth in "used" condition. Perhaps it would be to you worth "new" condition considering the value of the information lost. Your parents were willing to pay a reward but not for a new/used laptop? Is it because you are looking to get this...

------------------------ $30,000 ------------------------

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Meeting with friends Pastor

by sunny23 in

my close friend has stopped attending meetings about 2 yrs ago.

is df'd.

and attends memorial and a meeting here and there to appease his mother enough that she will still communicate with him.

sunny23

Also I forgot to add that they attacked evolution as being only a theory, not a fact.

I informed them that theory is the highest that an explanation can achieve in the sciences and that the theory is based on facts. Later on a different topic the son-in-law tried to use an analogy that involved gravity and I interrupted and sarcastically said that "I would hear no more" because gravity is only a theory. After proving to them that it was it seemed like their skulls were about to cave in, it looked painful.

I look forward to addressing the quote "God permits evil in order to defeat evil." This is like a father permitting his daughter to walk down a dark alley every night in minimal clothing in hopes that she will be raped so that the rapist can be put in prison. Better yet, this is like superman waiting for the bullet from a criminals gun to go through the skull of a woman so that he can then kill or imprison the criminal for the evil act instead of jumping in front of the bullet. God doesn't jump in front of bullets, not even millions of bullets. No he even permits viruses and cancers to form.